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Downtown is SO over -- Midtown is the new IT neighborhood

Started by KISS
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this is too funny. http://www.observer.com/2009/culture/its-madtown?page=0 It's Madtown! By Irina Aleksander and Meredith Bryan November 17, 2009 | 7:38 p.m Gherardo Guarducci and Dimitri Pauli, the two handsome Italian owners of Sant Ambroeus in the West Village, were sitting recently on a spacious leather banquette in the dining room of their latest venture, Casa Lever, under the watchful... [more]
Response by somewhereelse
about 16 years ago
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it always works in cycles.

Took a few years, but folks finally started figuring out the the bridge and tunnel followed them downtown and to brooklyn.

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Response by Fluter
about 16 years ago
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OP, this is definitely happening, I've been noticing this for awhile. BTW the Upper East Side is going to end up far hipper than people think as well.

The other place that is already past its happening prime is Williamsburg--although I love Williamsburg, so it pains me to note it.

But All the young artist types I have met lately are down on Billyburg. I heard a young musician interviewed on WNYC the other day who apologized for living in Williamsburg, and then qualified it by saying she actually lives on the fringes, so it's not really Williamsburg. This is not good to hear, investors. I haven't diagnosed the problem, but there are a lot of trust fund kids there--or whatever, youngsters with no jobs and tons of money.

For the forward thinkers looking for the next big thing, my chips are on Red Hook. Suffers from transportation problems and I'm not sure how that is ever going to be resolved, but if I had money I would be investing it there for long-term appreciation. Long Island City is Not as happening, despite a some artists and music studios there.

{Manhattan real estate agent.}

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Response by bjw2103
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"BTW the Upper East Side is going to end up far hipper than people think as well."

Based on what? The Met is going to throw out its collection and start collecting contemporary pieces? I don't think so. The UES is good at what it does - being nice, reliable, but a bit boring. In other words, a great place for stodgy, wealthy whites to call home east of Lex, and recent college grads looking for a cheaper, safer neighborhood. What makes a neighborhood hip? By most accounts, there's not much of that there (and that's just fine of course). Unless you find a 50+ Madonna to be hip.

"But All the young artist types I have met lately are down on Billyburg. I heard a young musician interviewed on WNYC the other day who apologized for living in Williamsburg, and then qualified it by saying she actually lives on the fringes, so it's not really Williamsburg."

The Williamsburg backlash has been going on for years. I don't think one musician being embarrassed really amounts to much. It's not the hippest neighborhood, but it will continue to be a destination for things new and challenging as there are established boutiques, galleries, and venues all over the neighborhood. They don't just die away in the wink of an eye. Yes, there's a growing mix of non-artist types who live here, but plenty of displaced artists still work here. Ultimately though, all this "hipness" stuff is pretty irrelevant. Fads come and go - what's really important is that both neighborhoods are established as safe and convenient areas in which to live. I think that's here to stay.

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Response by Mjh1962
about 16 years ago
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I agree that things are shifting. Midtown is very very cool right now. The next "It" neighborhood--UWS in the low hundreds up to Columbia. Next to Riverside Park, beautiful, quiet, neighborhood feel and the most incredible architecture in the entire city. It's also on the 1,2,4 train line which gets you downtown in 15 minutes or less

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Response by rvargas
about 16 years ago
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Get on over to nymag.com which has accurately dissected and trashed this laughable advertorial.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/11/ugh_the_observer_is_trying_to.html

The article is so bad on so many levels, but most importantly, the notion that the Observer could spot a trend, is the most fantastical notion of all!

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Response by Boss_Tweed
about 16 years ago
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>Based on what? The Met is going to throw out its collection and start collecting contemporary pieces?

Well, actually it has. Just not anything made by women. HOW HIP IS THAT?!

Sigh.

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Response by KISS
about 16 years ago
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yes, the nymag perspective is how I read the Observer piece. I think Jared Kushner may be doing favors for some friends in his social circles. Must be upsetting to their social world order or something.

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Response by KeithB
about 16 years ago
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Steveh was ahead of the curve. Nice.

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Response by NYCMatt
about 16 years ago
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Thank GOD this was published.

So when can I expect the breeder and Euro-trash squatters to finally move above 23rd Street??

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Response by malthus
almost 16 years ago
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I caught this restaurant review and had to revive this dopey thread:

http://events.nytimes.com/2010/01/27/dining/reviews/27rest.html?ref=dining&pagewanted=all

It definitely sounds like Le Caprice is where it is all happening: "There are business travelers and older residents of the Upper East Side, a few Eurobankers and the odd plastic-surgery victim."

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Response by stash17
almost 16 years ago
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i knew if i stayed in midtown east long enough the coolness would follow me.

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Response by mets2009
almost 16 years ago
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Finally, now if only the tourists would follow.

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Response by blogo
almost 16 years ago
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA! Right.

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Response by Truth
almost 16 years ago
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Not to argue, but East Midtown is the best neighborhood that I've lived in, in Manhattan.
The traffic is crazy, but I walk everywhere. I don't need a neighborhood to define me and my hipness. I'm an entertainment/music industry publicist.
I walk to Central Park, Nobu and other great restaurants. I walk to MOMA, the Frick, even up to the Gugg. and the Met.
A short walk to Radio City. I've even walked to The Beacon Theatre.
So, I'm happy, if not as "Hip" as some others.

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Response by NYCMatt
almost 16 years ago
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"Not to argue, but East Midtown is the best neighborhood that I've lived in, in Manhattan. "

You got me there. It is quite conveniently located.

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Response by Truth
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Not trying to "get you", Matt. It's safe, clean, convenient to shopping and transit. It's not far from any other, perhaps hipper, part of town. I've only been on here for the last few weeks, where do you live,Matt?

How do you like it? Is it in, hip, happening...?

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Response by somewhereelse
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"I walk to Central Park, Nobu and other great restaurants. I walk to MOMA, the Frick, even up to the Gugg. and the Met"

So the best part about east midtown is how easy it is to leave it and go to somewhere better?

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Response by Eurocash
almost 16 years ago
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Well , what to say, enjoy midtown.

Diversity is key.. in my opinion, more people head north at night, the less crowded and cheaper my favorite hangouts in the loft district

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Response by blogo
almost 16 years ago
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Yes, midtown is incredibly charming. Such personality.

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Response by moxieland
almost 16 years ago
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i want you to envision a neighborhood that has good schools, fine dining, lush greenery and parks, and only requires you to use one train....this shangri-la is Matt's nabe it is of course.....Washington Heights(it is absolutely not Williamsburg)

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Response by Truth
almost 16 years ago
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No, the best part of East Midtown is there is no lack of entertainment/cultural activities. It's not a vast wasteland of nothingness. My friends in the entertainment biz, never complain about coming to visit me here. And, a lot of them are very "In". In Rolling Stone Magazine, for one example.
My doorman has quite a collection of autographs.
To each, their own choice of what is "in", and where it is.

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Response by jimstreeteasy
almost 16 years ago
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I like wmburg but I do find it weird how many people slam it. Since I started looking around there I've asked tons of young people if they like it,know anyone there,etc. and I very often get comments like "hipsters irritate me", "i lived there, it's overrated". "it's not as cheap as you think", etc..I really don't care, I still like it, but something about the place seems to grate on some cool people. Part of it may be a natural reaction to being told something is "cool" too many times.

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Response by NYCMatt
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"Since I started looking around there I've asked tons of young people"

Try broadening your demographic to grown-ups.

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Response by jimstreeteasy
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The over 40s always say "wmburg is really cool", it's the under 30s that express doubts. That said, over in wmburg, people really seem to like it, and people are very friendly and kind of laid back. I like the vibe, but I'm not sure I like the idea of having to get on a train, no matter how quick, every day. When I lived in CHelsea I could easily go weekends or other days without taking a train...

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Response by Truth
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NYCMatt: It's o.k. with me, if you live in Washington Heights, Williamsburg, or anywhere else.

That's my point: N.Y.C. is the greatest city in the world (in my well-traveled opinion, so please don't start arguing with me about that. Thanks.)
Every neighborhood has something to offer and enjoy.
Living in a neighborhood doesn't make you, me, nor anybody Better, than anyone else. Really.
If you like it where you live, then it's "in" for you.

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Response by moxieland
almost 16 years ago
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now that is the truth....truth
have lived in many nyc nabes in the last 20+ yrs. i can honestly say i have found things about each that have made them enjoyable. this is just confirmation for me that nyc is a special place.

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Response by stash17
almost 16 years ago
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agree moxie - i've been in midtown east 4 years now after living in a few different spots and walking 8 minutes to work never gets old. It's certainly not the most charming hood but it works... convenient to see friends both downtown or uptown - i never feel out of touch like living in FiDi or the upper east side.

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Response by jimstreeteasy
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i like to bike around the west side path...and i find the east side river path less interesting...so..so...i dont want to be any further north on the east side than say 14thst....wmburg is a compromise because i can come across the bridge and go down,,,,

my point:it isnt just the hood per se for some people but proximity to the river path ; for others it is proximity to central park but i dont enjoy c park because it's just too crowded and somehow being by the water seems more head-clearing

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Response by nyc212
almost 16 years ago
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The current discussion is kind of freaking me out. This discussion is so un-Manhattan. I thought most of us on this board were NYers, who typically have a firm understanding that a "perfect" Manhattan neighborhood for one person, by definition, is a living hell for many others.

That's what's great about Manhattan--as opposed to 718, 516 or 201, where there tends to be a clear consensus on where good neighborhoods are

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Response by happyrenter
almost 16 years ago
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"midtown" and "downtown" are now homogenous neighborhoods according to that well-known arbiter of hip-ness, the New York Observer?

I think I'll stick with the village.

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Response by Truth
almost 16 years ago
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Thanks to the above commenters, who supported my opinion.
Yesterday, my friend and client, Levon Helm won The Grammy Award, again.
I'd be happy living ANYWHERE today!
Thanks to any of you, who bought "Electric Dirt" , and/or "Dirt Farmer".
Levon loves his fans!

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Response by somewhereelse
almost 16 years ago
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"My friends in the entertainment biz, never complain about coming to visit me here."

Maybe they're just being nice.

Or maybe they're just happy they only have to come once in a while, then go home to better nighborhoods.

;-)

Personally, e midtown, particularly the souther part, would be on the bottom of my list for places to live (and I know it pretty well, I used to live just above it in the 60s)

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Response by Truth
almost 16 years ago
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Well,it's good that you are somewhere else, somewhereelse.
And, my friends are nice, and come to visit me quite often. They usually walk over to my place, from The Four Seasons, or The St. Regis. Those hotels are only a few blocks away from my building.
So, I'm in the northern part. On the U.E.S. borderline.
You probably don't have anything good to say about that (or anything else) either.

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Response by bjw2103
almost 16 years ago
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Truth, don't mind the curmudgeonly haters. It's not for everyone, but as has been said ad nauseum, what is? When it comes to some people, you say potato...

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Response by Truth
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Thanks, bjw. I know. To each their own, I say.

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Response by clemencedane
almost 16 years ago
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It's funny how they write these things about Madonna or some "famous chef" or the Olsens as if it were universally agreed on that the blessing of their presence is to be desired. I don't know if I'm the only one (other than kneejerk Hollywood hating heartland conservatives), but I don't just not care about celebrities, what they do, what they eat, where they go, who they slept with, what shampoo they use. I actively wish to avoid their presence and perhaps even more so the presence of people who fawn over them. So if this means FiDi is safe from hipsters, Madonna, the trendy, the celebrity spotters and any number of overhyped overblown people I will breathe a big sigh of relief.

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Response by somewhereelse
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> And, my friends are nice, and come to visit me quite often.

Thats what I said, maybe they're being nice. ;-)

> So, I'm in the northern part. On the U.E.S. borderline.
> You probably don't have anything good to say about that (or anything else) either

You probably don't read much then. I've specifically said the opposite of what you claimed.

But, hell, some people just like to play loose with the facts.

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Response by somewhereelse
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"but I don't just not care about celebrities, what they do, what they eat, where they go, who they slept with, what shampoo they use"

Agreed... but

1) some people do care, and those folks will influence a neighborhood. You might think its stupid, but if they create critical mass, pull dollars in, it can actually change teh neighborhood

2) correlation vs. causation. For some folks, its not that the celeb MAKES the neighborhood cool, its that their presence might signify that there is some draw there.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
almost 16 years ago
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I've recently become aware of how much more expensive every day items are in midtown; in particular every deli charging $15 for a 6-pack of Rolling Rock when it's $10 just about everywhere in The Village (which isn't supposed to be cheap).

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