Will the Domino sugar factory site be developed

Go by and take a look. They're already working on the elevators in the main building.

2200 units!!!

Hello artificial sweetener

Its what W'Burg need. How much will these apartments cost us?

A 2200 units project? These guys are snorting waaay too much of it!

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wow, weird. i temped there in college once answering phones. then i ran into my friend from highschool, he was shoveling coal into the fire. that made me feel better about answering the phones.

Are the ceilings as low as those weird little windows imply?

not sure, every room was different..

Can I make a lame pun about "sugar cookie-cutter apartments" now?

All this speculation about this site. Domino Theory. I tel;'s ya

Cloying puns.

alanhart, please write a satirical novel. I promise to buy minimum 50 copies. Especially if there are riffs on the Second City.

i will buy 2 copies

The Secondary City.

FYI!

bjw2103, your thoughts.

SE, your thoughts.

http://www.nypost.com/p/neighborhood_not_sweet_on_domino_Gh1tjgSHlxSgjUUC8hs0tO

I think it's great if it goes according to plan, provided they make a firm commitment to addressing the transportation issues that would arise. I'm a bit fanatical about extending the V-train here, as I've said in other threads, and I think this presents a golden opportunity to push this into the realm of possibility. It's a huge expense, but without it (or a solid water taxi solution, which is more feasible, but less desirable, in my book), there will be too much strain on the neighborhood. By the time it's completed (I'm guessing 15+ years), it will be a completely different real estate market, so I don't see this affecting current buyers/sellers in the area, other than providing evidence that the area is here to stay (so to speak). The office space, green areas, and commercial spaces would be a boon to that part of Williamsburg as well.

SE,

My main concern is "We just don’t have the infrastructure and services to handle all these new people."

The L is only 2 tracks, correct? Therefore I guess you would need a new line to run to the area, not only new residents but also now commercial tennants.

kiz, that's right. I'm guessing that adding an express track (in both directions) and expanding the Bedford station (the platform would need to be significantly larger to accommodate everyone) would be at least as costly as my V-line idea (though I could well be wrong), especially given the disruptions it would cause all along the L. A V stop at Grand makes sense because it would serve the thousands of new residents that will be on Kent (not to mention those already on the western edges of the southside), but also provide direct access to Midtown, which is huge.

Besides a train station, W'Burg, needs an additional bus line(s) and super-super market. Sustainable Urban Environments get on your job.

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bjw, Where/how would said V line run, and where would it connect with existing track?

alanfart,

You don't have an imagination?

alanhart, basically continue running the V under Houston St (currently terminates at Houston/2nd Ave), then tunnel under the river, which would put it directly on Grand St (a major commercial and residential street in Williamsburg, for the uninitiated). I'd say put the station at Grand/Wythe. Is this a crazy expensive pipe dream (literally)? Duh. But I think if the Domino people start looking at pushing something like this, it could gain a little momentum. I don't know how the city expects people to continue developing the waterfront if the transportation is already near capacity.

mutombo, bus is much easier to implement. I'm just not sure where it would go. And another supermarket will come soon enough - I'm not worried about that one at all. Tops, Khim's, and Sunac are more than fine for the current state of the neighborhood.

Bus Rapid Transit is much more appropriate for that area, especially if they can reserve a bridge lane during rush hour for that purpose. In fact, I'm no engineer, and I know the WillyB is held together by paint, but it would probably be relatively cheap to build an addition to the bridge for that purpose.

alan, that's a good point. I'm no engineer, obviously. I do wonder how feasible and costly an "addition" to the bridge would be. Do you mean 2 more lanes? I'm just thinking long-term for the neighborhood, and while buses would certainly help, I just think the extra stop makes too much sense, even though it will cost muchisimo dinero. I'm always surprised at how Paris, a much older, bureaucratic, and structurally fragile city, is able to add so many subway stations and lines compared to our dismal history with the SAS and the like.

London, too. Even New Jersey, to be honest.

But a subway stop where you're talking about makes sense only for local residents, which will never be very many, Domino or not.

Why do you say that, if the L train is already packed and the majority of the new construction built during the boom is not yet occupied

alan, I disagree there. There will be thousands of new residents, in addition to those already there. The number of buildings going up on Kent itself is mindboggling (not to mention other developments nearby). We're talking 5 digits here. Can you imagine the strain on the Bedford L-stop? This would alleviate much of that, as the Midtown crowd would steer towards the V, and the downtown crowd would stick to the L. In addition, since the Domino plan includes office space, you'd have non-locals commuting into that area as well, so the V would serve them.

"Thousands" is not the scale that dictates subway construction.

Ok, tens of thousands. That's on top of the current residents. What are you looking for, millions? This is one stop (maybe two if you put one at Houston/Ave C), not an entire additional line.

What does "there will be" mean? Is there a building boom in Williamsburg? Seriously? Post-bubble?

But to indulge you: Tens of thousands, maybe/probably not, most of whom can easily ride the L, J, M, Z (or whatever those BMT lines are).

The major point is that it's NO just a stop, but a line extension. And one that crosses the East River. But I think if a line passed under that location, it still wouldn't be easy to get a station added. And it would be the prudent decision NOT to add the station even in that scenario.

Maybe you can lobby for a G train spur.

alan, yes, even post-bubble they're building quite a bit. Look at the title of this very thread. Anyway, I don't think anyone will be able to "easily ride" the L, and to a lesser extent, the J/M (Z will be gone). The L is already near capacity, the J barely touches Manhattan (only helpful to those working in the financial district), and the M merely circles back to Brooklyn, which the G (yes, the G) can probably do better in most cases. Regardless, I've always said this is a bit of a nutty dream, but I think the problem is far greater than you're suggesting. And what would a G spur accomplish in terms of Manhattan access?

Transfers to midtown- and downtown-bound trains.

I thought the Domino site was in Red Hook, not Williamsburg. No?

Graffiti, it's on South 4th/Kent, which is southside Williamsburg. I think you're thinking of Revere? That's in Red Hook.

oops yes, you're right bjw. My bad. Thanks.

They are pulling out all SUVs to get this done: http://nypost.com/2016/04/30/gentrification-gone-wild-luxury-condo-forklifts-suv-off-street/
Gentrification gone wild: Luxury building forklifts SUV off street

By Melkorka Licea

April 30, 2016 | 10:11pm

Gentrification gone wild: Luxury building forklifts SUV off street

Here’s the shocking moment a construction crew hoisted a Williamsburg family’s SUV off the street to make room for work on a luxury building site.

Contractors for Two Trees Management used a forklift to uproot the 2004 Infiniti while working on the $2 billion redevelopment of the former Domino Sugar Refinery.

Sedan, not an SUV. Even the NYP should know better.

Fine art at the factory a couple of years ago: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/12/arts/design/marvelous-sugar-baby-as-a-contribution-to-ephemeral-art.html

Saw the car damage fieldchester referred to on tv last night. It was very bad. The neighbors interviewed said other cars have been moved onto the sidewalk also. I thought they were supposed to get a permit and put up cones to limit parking for construction.

Saw the car damage fieldchester referred to on tv last night. It was very bad. The neighbors interviewed said other cars have been moved onto the sidewalk also. I thought they were supposed to get a permit and put up cones to limit parking for construction.

It's hard not to feel bad about the impact gentrification has on Dumbo-resident Infiniti owners.

2004 Infiniti