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I missed that, hfscomm1. Can you point me at the post where she proclaimed her Scottish background?

not that it matters in the slightest, but i have no scottish in my background. keep up, really, do.

If you want an actual link, you can search as easily as I can.

if it's too much info, are you not able to just ignore?

Damn -- 6'2", 195lbs? Hubba, hubba! Too bad we can't all have that, no? At least we've got the Internet...

"If you want an actual link, you can search as easily as I can."

That's weak. Remember when you were asking about some conversation I had with Rhino, and I pointed you at the link, which made you so happy? Did I say "You can search as easily as I can"? Nope. I searched and gave you the link.

Yes, and two Ivy League degrees and a good West Virginia pedigree.

Cool. What's involved in a good West Virginia pedigree? How's it different than a bad one?

inonada, I'm not here to make any friends, and I'm succeeding.

you must be referring to my non-scottish husband? yes, and he is still the same sizes he was back in the day. 32/34 for trousers, 40l for suits, and 15 1/2 34/35 for shirts. this is a guy who's 6'2".

i love him tons.

hsf, still not keeping up. we have three ivy degrees. but guess what. we were poor when we got them.

Mismatched marriage?

He's got two. You've got one from Yale that you got based on geographic preference.

aboutready: You sure can hold your own, here. You go, girl!!!

Aboutready really gets going when she's got that toilet plunger out.

By the way, who the heck says that "we have 3 ... degrees". Since when is a degree communal property?

you sound like ph41, hfs.

i guess you don't approve of upward mobility for those who are disadvantaged, like the minorities.

truth, i really hope to meet you soon.

hfs, the fact that you can't conceive of the "we" speaks volumes. and, btw, in many states a degree is communal property.

my husband and i are a team. a very happy team.

Really, in which states is a degree a communal property? Can the degree be inherited?

Is this the opinion of a woman who received a free education such that she took it for granted and can't even speak English properly? Irregardless?

aboutready
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"i guess you don't approve of upward mobility for those who are disadvantaged, like the minorities."

Are you a minority or are you just trying to use other people's hard work to your own credit?

Woohoo, we really got hfscomm1 going tonight! Multiple back-to-back posts.

Little story about me. I hope I'm not sharing too much, but what the heck, it's Saturday night and we can get a little crazy, no? I'm not a dog person per se, but I do like other people's dogs. Kinda like the grandkids concept: all the fun, none of the hard work.

In any case, when I go to a friend's house where they have a dog, I really like playing with the dog. You know, wrestle with it, play tug-of-war, whatever, and get it all riled up. By the time the night comes to an end, the dog is all wound up and excited, jumping around, clearly too adrenalined to actually go to sleep.

I kinda feel bad for playing with the dog such in a way that is less than perfectly healthy, but hey, the dog had a great time, no? Isn't that what it's all about?

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm going to sleep now. Goodnight, and see you all in the morning.

I like playing with the dog too.

in many states, but particularly the community property states, if a wife pays for her husband's advanced degree she half owns it. including NY and the state i paid for my husband's law school.

ooo. hsf. i now get the issue. minority. give me an f'ng break.

So you paid your husband's taxes and his law tuition. So he's an indentured servant. Explains a lot.

I would suggest you read (in Latin, you do know Latin, right?) your husband's degree and you can see it is conferred upon him. It is never community property or property that can be inherited. It is not property that can be transferred. It can not be used as collateral nor is it an asset that can be forfeited in a bankruptcy.

no, you are wrong. in any divorce i own half of his degree. and he is not allowed to go work at some slacker job to limit my take.

and you know what, the lovely man that i married, is happy about this. he is glad that it makes me feel more secure.

No, you can not own a portion of someone else's degree.

hfs, you are wrong. absolutely. in a number of states if a wife pays for the husband to acquire the degree she owns part of it.

maybe you should do some research?

Your sense of entitlement is at least consistent.

You entered into an arms-length market rate rental with your landlord, and yet you want treble damages.

You gave birth to your daughter, and you want to control the rest of her life, even from your grave.

You can not own a degree that is conferred upon someone else. The university granting the degree grants it only to the person who completes the course of study.

You are wrong. But at least your theme of entitlement is consistent.

I've never understood your staccato writing style. You write a sentence. Then one word. Then another sentence. Then another word. And another word. Sometimes the words include f'n in the middle of a word that otherwise is well understood.

What is that?

Did you learn that by inheriting or purchasing a degree that someone else earned?

you are such a shithead. no i don't own the degree my husband has (although maybe i do, some courts have said so). i only own half of the money he can make. and he is not allowed to try to diminish his income to piss me off.

you don't get it. at all.

"he is not allowed to try to diminish his income to piss me off."

Really, so he is required to work?
No, he isn't required to work.

"although maybe i do, some courts have said so"
Which courts?

i've never understood your anger.

My so-called anger is directed at you and will diminish if you do. And if never, never.

i have a hobby. it is following real estate trends. hfs has a hobby. it is following me around and insulting me.

you're so superior, hfs. so, bloody, f'ng superior. you indicated that your anger was directed at others as well, cc, rhino, swe? perhaps you were lying?

and i'm irish. not scottish. which explains, at least partially, why i continue the fight. but don't let things like facts and accuracy deter you. you never do.

So Irish people "continue the fight" but not Scottish people?

You are always superior.
You are always entitled.
Never too much with you.

You still hold things over your husband from two decades ago. And worse, you tell us.

When will you take your hobby and actually produce something for society? Sitting at home all day blogging is not a contribution to society. Why don't you even volunteer? Never anything for anyone else. Always everyone owes aboutready.

"no, you are wrong. in any divorce i own half of his degree. and he is not allowed to go work at some slacker job to limit my take.

and you know what, the lovely man that i married, is happy about this. he is glad that it makes me feel more secure."

MEOW! He's happy that he is, essentially, an indentured servant? What a p^ssy. This is one reason I tell my nephews to NOT get married, but just bang hot chicks their whole life. If they do marry, I tell them they HAVE to wait until they've fulfilled their dreams - founded that successful business, etc.

Else some slit can steal half of it.

hugh, please. he's happy. some wouldn't be. do what works for you. we built a life together and we enjoy it and each other.

hfs, blah, blah, blah.

Hugh, nice thoughts. I am cynical about most marriages, etc. but even you have to allow that some men have no issue with being "indentured servants" and actually enjoy sharing their wealth with us housewife-leeches.

You insult history by conflating modern marriage, indentured servitude and slavehood. We can continue this discussion in person, if you like.

10023: My comment was more narrowly focused on AR's comment that her husband could not exercise his free will to choose a lesser-paying profession, because she could COMPEL him to earn to pay her alimony! Also, I commented on what a pathetic, unmanly excuse of a male human being he was for being "happy" with that situation. Of course, all we really have as evidence that your husbands are "happy" with this is the word of you two broads. Your husbands are probably so "happy" with your aging @sses that they banging their hot interns, for all we know.

However, since you conflated my narrowly focused argument with the whole topic of marriage and said I "insult history", I'll tell you that i don't think I do. What has happened the past 40 years is that the female reproductive goals of any species -- securing resources for her few offspring - has been rewarded in the law. But the male biological goals - sire as many offspring as possible with the millions of sperm his body is constantly producing - has been legislated against and shamed in the modern media (see Woods, Tiger). Its unsustainable. As for historical parallels, did you know that if AR's husband decided he wanted to teach under-priviledged children and as a result earned 1/4 what he does as a lawyer, Family Court would assess liens on him that would result in imprisonment. It is the ONLY imprisonment in the modern world that results from the failure to pay money. Sound familiar? Debtors prison. It is absolutely disgraceful, it IS analgous to slavery and, more importantly, it is unsustainable.

As a result, millions of men are rejecting marriage (and old broads like you, your "cougar" fantasy notwithstanding). You all imagine yourself to be Demi Moore, but of course can't spend the tens of millions it took her to look that way at her advanced age. Do you know what YOU look like at her age? Worn out.

"I might get upset at you and hurt you..."

....one...sick....puppy

Woah. Why would you get upset enough at anyone who shares a different point of view to hurt them? First of all, the laws (if I were to craft them) would probably hew closer to your idea of justice. I don't believe in legislating child support if both parents had not consented to having the child, for instance, and I am also against mandatory alimony. And I also think that men and women have diametrically different goals shaped by biology in terms of procreation, monogamy, etc. The state, IMO, has no business in marriages, so yes, I would not illegalize polygamy. All of this can be dealt with by contract law, except of course, the poorer partner would have difficulty actually enforcing any kind of contract - so legislation provides a kind of shortcut.

My partner doesn't live under some kind of rock. He can avail himself any time of the freedom to pursue hotter and younger women and spread his millions of sperm around. Somehow, the fact that he chooses to procreate with only one woman currently and chooses to spend his cash on the same bothers you.

hugh has a grasp of the freudian concept of the id and the ego, but is lacking in his understanding of the super-ego. mom didn't raise him right.

hugh, my husband is quite content. he is glad that i am staying at home to raise his child. he is fully aware of the risky position i put myself in by doing so. he is happy that there is some legalized security to my position, because it makes me less concerned with the vulnerability i am electing to accept on behalf of the family. we are a team.

he is a nice guy. if that makes him a pussy, i'm sure he'd just laugh and say fine. and then call you a dickhead.

So your husband isn't himself happy. He's only content in that he knows that you feel secure because you having a legal lock on him in addition to your general sense of entitlements toward society.

Interesting.

I wonder if he would have broken the toilet seat and required someone else to fix it before he met you, or he just learned entitlement from the best.

... he knows that you feel secure because you have a legal lock on him ...

hfs..What hobbies do you enjoy? Where do you volunteer? We could all use that kind of advice.

I'm not here to talk about myself jim

add my hubby to the pussy club. he works is ass off to make sure we are safe and happy. his words, not mine, "the primary responsibility of a man is to take care of his family". i got lucky with my husband (well, actually, i chose well...like to say he's the best choice i ever made). my daddy was and still is a womanizing drunk (lucky for us he was absent most of the time). how's that for pattern breaking dr phil ;). how's that for too personal hfs?

ha - i wish i was under the illusion of looking like demi moore. truthfully, i think the quest for eternal youth is kind of creepy.

Well uwsmom, now multiply that by a few hundred, express how everyone else in society owes you but you have no responsibility, and then start indicating frequent nasty scorn for numerous other posters, and you too can achieve aboutready levels. Add in a few odd stories about your toilet too.

By the way uwsmom, it sounds more like your husband wants to take care of you and his family. Aboutready in contrast likes to hold things over her man, like the taxes, and the education payments, even putting the perception of his professional judgment at public risk. Her husband may get joy from being a good provider, but aboutready's not going to let it get to the level of being voluntary without leverage, which would reduce her entitled level of security.

Notice how you managed to talk up your husband without talking him down? Therein lies the difference.

Jim said "....one...sick....puppy"

That's possible. But you're a big P*SSY. I can get therapy, but you'll still be a p*ssy...

"Somehow, the fact that he chooses to procreate with only one woman currently and chooses to spend his cash on the same bothers you"

Typical female misdirection. Of course that doesn't bother me, and you know it. What bothers people is women like you gloating over the fact that if a husband left, you'd gauge a pound of flesh or three out of him. And, the fact that someone gloats that they can COMMAND their man to work his ass off and send money to her because "this is a community property state so i own half his degree". What she's really saying is "I OWN him!". BTW, no way a woman can get sexually excited by a mangina she completely controls. Just sayin'...

"hugh has a grasp of the freudian concept of the id and the ego, but is lacking in his understanding of the super-ego. mom didn't raise him right."

LOL. You know nothing about my mother. And billions of people on this planet know little of Freud - did all their mothers raise them wrong?

"he is fully aware of the risky position i put myself in by doing so. he is happy that there is some legalized security to my position, because it makes me less concerned with the vulnerability i am electing to accept on behalf of the family. we are a team."

Keep telling yourself that. Chances are, like most men just a handful of years ago, he had NO idea what he was getting into legally. (That's all changed, BTW, as this current generation of teens see their fathers and brothers and uncles destroyed by family court.) He's there with your aging ass because he HAS to be. But don't pretend he's not resentful. As for your nonsense about "the vulnerability I am accepting", remember that YOU wanted to do this! Men don't nag women to marry and have kids; women nag men to do that because it's in their genes. It would be like if I stayed home from work to bang a series of hot 19 year olds (because that's what MENS programming tells them to do),and then wanted you to work your ass off to pay for it all.

as long as an adult has an appropriately developed super ego, mom did OK. doesn't matter if she or the offspring ever heard of Freud.

"The Super-ego aims for perfection[6]. It comprises that organised part of the personality structure, mainly but not entirely unconscious, that includes the individual's ego ideals, spiritual goals, and the psychic agency (commonly called 'conscience') that criticises and prohibits his or her drives, fantasies, feelings, and actions.

“ The Super-ego can be thought of as a type of conscience that punishes misbehavior with feelings of guilt. For example: having extra-marital affairs.[7] ”

The Super-ego works in contradiction to the id. The Super-ego strives to act in a socially appropriate manner, whereas the id just wants instant self-gratification. The Super-ego controls our sense of right and wrong and guilt. It helps us fit into society by getting us to act in socially acceptable ways.[1]"

"Men don't nag women to marry and have kids; women nag men to do that because it's in their genes."

Maybe this is why so many men are turning gay.

you just keep telling yourself that, hugh. that men who remain with their aging wives are all doing so out of obligation and horrible binds. some men have morals.

you sound like someone who needs to put others down to justify your actions.

All this analysis from a woman who couldn't go beyond a bachelors degree in psychology. That makes her an expert. Or is it that she can cut and paste from psychpedia?

matt, gay men never nag?

actually, hugh, i didn't want this. i didn't want to be a stay-at-home mother. it was his work schedule that made me quit work when our child was two. if you had told me in college i'd be a stay-at-home mom i would have laughed at you. but a child needs some parental attention, and there wasn't enough of it with both of us working, so we decided i'd stay home.

being a stay-at-home mom is really kind of shitty, in some ways.

"you just keep telling yourself that, hugh. that men who remain with their aging wives are all doing so out of obligation and horrible binds. some men have morals."

Speaking from personal observation, I see quite a few "morals" being broken by married men in the steam room and sauna of the NYSCs on Wall Street, Reade Street, 23rd & Park, Brooklyn Heights, and Broadway & 80th.

"being a stay-at-home mom is really kind of shitty, in some ways."

I'll take the job.

matt, maybe you've seen hugh!

Describe him.

women nag men to marry them?

ha - when my husband proposed i screamed no and ran away (literally - you know, fight or flight response). he didn't nag but he does have the patience of a saint.

i nag about everything else.

"you just keep telling yourself that, hugh. that men who remain with their aging wives are all doing so out of obligation and horrible binds"

Once again, a woman extrapolates my criticism of her in a mis-direction that attempts to confuse the issue. Where did I say that ALL men who remain with their aging wives do so out of horrible binds? Some men were smart enough to marry foreign women, to marry with super-strong, Bill-Murray like pre-nups. Nope, not all men live the way you describe. For example, Matt doesn't ;). Nope, I was pretty much opining on your own self-described situation, on the hellish nightmare of a life you described for your husband.

"being a stay-at-home mom is really kind of shitty, in some ways."

I'll take the job.
-Matt

Look, Matt, no matter where you stick that turkey baster, you are NOT conceiving!

"Look, Matt, no matter where you stick that turkey baster, you are NOT conceiving!"

But it certainly doesn't hurt to keep trying!

Good one Matt. :)

How about surrogacy and adoption.

I once read a sci-fi/fantasy story about how men could give birth out of their butt. Interesting, to say the least.

Hughie: you can't accept that some men don't have prenups, are obliged under our current laws to give XYZ to their ex-wives and don't have an issue with it. I think that men and women who are not aware of what is either owed by them or owing to them in a divorce are stupid. Awareness of what is your legal due isn't gloating in my books. As to fairness, laws aren't fair, they are what they are. And divorce laws are changing to address perceived imbalances. Custody to moms isn't automatic, joint is the default. Alimony is very limited in most cases. And while men may be biologically conditioned to spread their seed, they aren't purely driven by their need to spread their seed indiscriminately. The bond between a father and his child can be very strong, and you have no idea of the misery that many guys suffer when they don't get to see their child/ren every day. So while they may be driven to have many children by many women, that desire is also tempered by the reality of wanting to spend as much time with them as possible under one roof. I suppose the solution to that would be polygamy, but the same problems remain (your wives probably want to be in different huts, necessitating rotation ala big love).

Hugh you think my husband has a hellish life. he doesn't. I don't hold it over his head. he's an attorney for f's sake. we didn't want a pre-nup and were married in a community property state. he was well aware of what he was signing on for.

"we were married in a community property state"

I know, because you constantly remind us. How odd that you feel the need to do so. How equally odd that you are so keenly aware of the divorce formulas in the various states. Attorney or no, I pity your husband.

" you have no idea of the misery that many guys suffer when they don't get to see their child/ren every day"

Actually I'm keenly aware of it; I've known literally dozens of men who've been made to become acquainted with this odd facet of american legal jurisprudence, that essentially turns them into sperm donors and walking wallets for selfish women.

"We can continue this discussion in person, if you like."

I can continue this discussion right here, b!tch, and you are in no position to tell anyone otherwise. You don't want me to continue it in person. I might get upset at you and hurt you...

LOL. You know nothing about my mother. And billions of people on this planet know little of Freud - did all their mothers raise them wrong?

We know plenty about your Mom. She raised a misogynist bully who thinks its ok to threaten woman. Freud or no Freud, she should be proud of her offspring. Your a real class act.

Hugh. how odd that you like to refer to weak men as female body parts

Hugh. I read. plenty of stuff out there on divorce and its effects. as 10023 said, I'd be an idiot if I didn't know the potential repercussions of my choice. there are far more assholes like you out there than there are gems like the one I found.

Aboutready: Hope to meet you soon, too. I'd like to extend the same invite I posted to Liz: Please be my guest, up in Woodstock; at Levon Helm's Ramble. Great music and people. Levon will enjoy meeting you both. He admires smart, feisty women. Let's take a road-trip.

"I once read a sci-fi/fantasy story about how men could give birth out of their butt. Interesting, to say the least."

Actually, it was proven back in the '80s that men can carry a child to term. It would have to be implanted and taken out via c-section. We apparently have "unused" room in our pelvic areas.

Levon´s barn in Woodstock is just great. I went last July. He rocked his ass off. I had a great time.

" We apparently have "unused" room in our pelvic areas. "

Matt I understood that you were filling up that excess room in your pelvic area ...

"She raised a misogynist bully who .. Your a real class act."

LOL. Using the word "Misogynist" as shaming language is very 1990's; it doesn't work anymore. Men simply don't give a cr@p; we're in on the gag.

Clearly, a women who twists a thread on a meetup to start talking about how she owns her husband, can literally force him into doing work he doesn't want to do with her, not him, getting the benefit of that labor (do you know a better definition of slavery), that woman is clearly MISANDRIST. And displayed her misandry long before there were any signs here of misogyny.

"there are far more assholes like you out there than there are gems like the one I found."

If your husband is such a gem, that your obsession with how much harm you can do to him is uncalled for and perverse, indeed.

Good article that makes many of the points i've been making.

http://thetomleykisshow.blogspot.com/2010/02/tiger-woods-cautionary-tale-for-all.html#links

I used to tell my son that it was ok for men to wait until they are 30 to get married, then I said 40, now I actually say 60!!!!!

Wrong again Hugh. Real men don't threaten to physically harm woman.Interesting that you called Jim a P*ssy. The only p*ssy on this thread is the little man who thinks violence against woman is acceptable. We are all accustomed to folks hijacking threads hopefully none of us follow your lead and start physically threatening one another. As i said before you Mom should be real proud of you.

LOL, Prada. Why not wait till 70? This way, he'll have someone to push around his wheelchair!

hugh,,on the setai thread you wrote about mota:

I'm inclined to common on your heritage but it would be considered rude on this board. But it's pretty obvious who/what you are (other than a poseur).

two questions:

- what on earth did you mean to imply about his heritage? (i'm not sure if it was racist or against a religious group or what)

- should we assume that you have stopped refraining from comments "considered rude on this board", or do you not consider your comments on this thread to be rude?

can is the operative word. won't is the reality.

Jimbo: Try to stick to one thread at a time, OK? Besides, I was really drunk on that Setai thread, so I don't remember what I was thinking when I wrote that.

As Poe said, I sometimes "became insane, with long intervals of horrible sanity".

"Interesting that you called Jim a P*ssy."

Sorry, but whenever he posts, I hear the "Meow mix" cat food commercial in my mind.

Meow meow meow meow, meow meow meow meo, Meow meow MEOW meow,...

Hey EenyWeenieG, when was drunkenness an excuse? Since your literacy skills are clearly lacking - Aboutready was explaining that under NYC divorce law she legally owns half of the income from his degree. She was not claiming to own her husband. And it's really too bad that shame has gone the way of the nineties, because a few posters on this board could certainly use some.

Well, hugh, bfd. You may be the weirdest person this site has attracted, and that is saying quite a bit.

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Hugh. I read. plenty of stuff out there on divorce and its effects. as 10023 said, I'd be an idiot if I didn't know the potential repercussions of my choice. there are far more assholes like you out there than there are gems like the one I found.

You read about divorce, what a surprise. Have you ever read about anything nice, friendly, good, positive, encouraging, inspirational? You are so negative and you actively surround yourself with such negativitity. There's a reason you don't use the default IGNORE that is associated with my name. You like it. There's a reason most of your personal stories involve toilets and indentured husbands. There's a reason why columbiacounty was your strongest supporter.

"Aboutready was explaining that under NYC divorce law she legally owns half of the income from his degree. She was not claiming to own her husband"

Zzzzzz. Now put the two pieces together, sweetie: She also claimed that her husband COULD NOT switch to a lower paying job - no matter how much he wanted to, if he should ever in his life want to- because he had to deliver to her the same amount of cashola NO. MATTER. WHAT. In other words, he has lost his ability to exercise free will over the small, inconsequential matter of what he does for a living! HE does not get the benefit of his labour, SHE is entitled to the fruits of his labor - EVEN IF THEY AREN'T TOGETHER!

And this is more and more men are referring to "alimony" as "vaginamony". I mean, if the guy isn't with her, what is he really paying for?? He's paying for past use of a v@gina...

"Well, hugh, bfd. You may be the weirdest person this site has attracted, and that is saying quite a bit"

Well, boo-boo-BEE-boo, little Jimmy! STFU. I don't need to listen to a thing a f#ckin' p*ssy like you says.

Cordially,

Hugh G. Rection

Yeah, it's called alimony. Look it up...sweetheart.

She gave up her career to take care of their child. Sounds pretty fair to me that she gets part of his salary if he splits. If marriage to you is paying for the use of someone's vagina, I'm pretty sure you can rent it cheaper by the hour. There's a little more to marriage than that, though I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to marry you so you'll probably never find out for yourself.

Looking forward to hashing this out over drinks in a couple of weeks.

I will attend and promise to punch HFS in the face.

HFS, do not attend or I will punch you in the face, as you've promised that I would.

Rhino, I'll hold it down for you.

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She gave up her career to take care of their child.

She did not give up her career. Of all of the detail that aboutready offers, have you ever heard her telling you about her prior career? She has a bachelors degree in psychology. That's not the start to a career.

Additionally, her child is now 12 or 13. Ok, so she doesn't want to go back to her supposed full-time career. But does she volunteer 10-3 a few days a week? Has she gone back to school? Has she started working part time at an art gallery? Does she assist over at the Legal Aid Society, given how expert her legal opinions are? Has she fitured out a way to repay society for that free Yale education that she received (and still can't speak proper English). No, she's a useless woman. She can't even get to the store to buy a toilet seat when her husband breaks one. She's a shame to women.

No way, thats like Sarah shooting moose from a helicopter.