Government officials being unaccountable
Started by Riversider
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very good testimony on our financial system
http://cop.senate.gov/hearings/library/hearing-030410-citi.cfm
herb allison never answered a single question.
What do you expect from an administration whose Treasury Secretary engaged in six-figure tax fraud?
If you want accountability. how about putting Frank and Dodd in jail for their fraudulent activities relating to fannie and freddie.
How about blaming the party and administration actually responsible for what happened - the Republicans and George Bush, and his father and Reagan. How about blaming the party that actually repealed the legislation that regulated banks - the Republicans.
All you Republicans are good at is 1 - passing the blame of the results of your party's actions to others, and 2 - using fear and mis information to get your way.
its so much fun and so productive to bash everyone. you're a jerk---no, you're a jerk. no, you're a bigger jerk. you're a traitor, you're a communist. you're a socialist. yep, this really helps us all.
"If you want accountability. how about putting Frank and Dodd in jail for their fraudulent activities relating to fannie and freddie."
Good start. Right after we toss Geithner in the slammer.
All government so called good ideas about "helping people" always end up destroying the individual.
Hey widestance, Why do you "progressives" feel entitled to extort money from other people?
Oh, good, it's the illiterate troll who posts things she reads on bumper stickers in Indiana.
Oh, no it's the socialist who needs to run to the government office to pick up his monthly check.
Hey Julia - why do Republicans rape and pillage the Americans life savings over and over again - The Great Depression, The S&L Scandal, the Great Recession, etc etc etc.
I could care less about the Republicans. I believe in extreme libertarianism.
Julia.... once my father and mother had an argument about money. He was sending money back home to the poor side of his family... my mother couldn't afford clothing for her three kids, and we used to pick up clothing from the local church.
I sided with my dad bc food trumps clothing. In AMERICA, where ppl can make a decent living collecting cans, I think universal health care is NOT too much to ask for. To me the fact I don't have to see poor hungry mothers on the street with a 4yos starving as I walk to my garage to start up my $135K porsche (original list, never would I buy a NEW one)... is reason enough to pay my taxes. I don't like taxes, can't stand the in-efficiencies, can't agree with ALL the spending.. but by a mile, I'll take our system that allowed women to no longer be a man's possession, blks to vote, immigrants to rise based on hard work and abilities... over any other system in the world.
So scream, no more taxes all you want, you one-sided cone head.... when you can be our supreme martian leader... knock yourself out and do as your bidding... or you can vote for Bush again.
If you want to help the poor,I won't stop you. " My philosophy, in essence is the concept of man as a heroic being with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive work as his noblest achievement and reason as hiss only absolute"
I'm just curious Julia, when your 65 do you plan to rip up yoru Social Security checks and turn down Medicare?
fantastic... can you tattoo that on your forehead? That way if i ever sail by you, and you are holding onto some debris for dear life.. I can go..."Ah, son, leave her be, can't you see the writing on her forehead?"
Socialist, The money won't be there when I am 65. I will gladly turn down the "benefits" if I am refunded the tax money i have paid.
Yeah, because GOP administrations raided the fund to pay for Crony Capitalism.
Hey Julia, want to get a sneak peak of our next presdient? Here you go.. fast forward to 7:35
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1y_jsaF4pQ
w67, you won't know her from the thousands of other Randittoheads with the same crap tattooed on their foreheads, all heading to a planning committee meeting of Anarchist Illiterates.
MY father taught me correctly that a hero is a person who helps those who are less fortunate... and it's double kick ass if they are in no position to help you or they don't even look like you.
Hate jews that just help jews, muslims that just help muslims, chinese that just help chinese... if it's pure and from the heart, reach out to ppl that can never help you and do it anonymously. I admire Gates for helping Africa... I guess it would be hard to do it anonymously for him, so I give him a pass.
Just my opinion.
Socialist, 7:35 You just made my point completely with that video of the socialist. That is where we are headed with all you thugs and criminals. I mean "progressives"
oh, so progressives are thugs? So tell me, how is the free market working for the 16% of the populatiion that is unemployed? Huh?
Socialist, that's a silly question ... the free market and libertarianism only truly exists in third world countries.
yes, that's true. Pirating off the coast of Somalia is a free market. So is the Cambodian child prostitution industry. Isn't the free market wonderful?
You socialist can't succeed in life on your own abilities, so you need to confiscate other people's achievements. Everyone, go look at the video the socialist recommended (7:35). Unless this collect madness is stopped; that is where we are headed.
julia.... in our restaurant, you can't choose to go a la cart.. sorry, the lines would be out the door all the time. The sausage we make, everyone eats. Enjoy.
It's remarkable, Socialist doesn't even know what socialism is..
I am curious Julia, where do you send your kids to school? Public or private? have yiou ever received an unemployment check? Have you ever sent a letter through the post office? Have ou ever rode Amtrak? Do you use the subway? Have you ever called the police or fire department?
Socialist, You don't know what socialism is. Remarkable
if you don't think I know what socialism is, how about you define it?
socialism, as defined by julialg.
"a system in place where my parents had a say in its making but which does not apply to me, cause my parents had no hand in my upbringing" In fact i changed my own diapers and killed cows to eat raw right out of the womb.
Please, everyone, go look at the video the socialist recommended They are seen naked, totally exposed.
SOCIALISM a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism
socialism and communism are totally different. There is no private industry in communism. In socialism, there is.
The best part of the government ineptitude is that their solution is to create more government.
Just a transitional state until the utopia of communism is eventually reached. Workers of the world unite, free health care for everyone, equality for all; please let me puke.
Julialg being a Libertarian you have as much chance of a candidate winning as you do riding a unicorn....
Ron Paul
your against equality for all? So that means you support minorities and women being paid less than white men for the same work? wow, that is pretty surprising.
Equality of opportunity for all, liberty and freedom for all; not a guaranty of results....
Socialist, You so boringly typical with your "women and minorities" comment. I am not a bean counter, i believe in the individual not group think.
LOL, To some equality menas everyone gets one chicken to eat once a week.
Can someone please translate julialg's broken English? I have no idea what (if anything) she's trying to say.
alanhart Run along, there is a monthly government check waiting for you.
Everyone,please see the video the Socialist recommended. Quite astonishing.
Thinking Ron Paul or any Libertarian candidate will win the Presidential election is like routing for the Mets to win the Superbowl.
Lets keep electing the same morons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1y_jsaF4pQ This is the video the Socialist recommended. This is the society your "progressive "friends desire.
You're so dreary and repetitive, you probably spent 15 years in your local Communist Party cell.
Heck, I'll admit it...I'm a Marxist
A Groucho Marxist...."What ever it is...I'm against it!"
Hey alanhart, You picked up the government monthly check already?
dreary ... repetitive ... Communist Party cells
check check check
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1y_jsaF4pQ
Just post the same thing again and again and again and again and again and again and again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1y_jsaF4pQ
Hey, Where is the Socialist.
It's an immature stance to have an extreme libertarian view.
w67: I too, hate seeing starving women & children on the street. But around here, until the spigot runs dry, we have created a society where it makes more economic sense to be a single parent with 2+ kids on welfare living in projects rather than work for min. wage at Duane Reade (STB Walgreens). I don't like that either.
Extreme libertarianism won't seem immature when the country is broke and the thugs gain more power. The "politicians" will step up their confiscation tactics to help the elderly, the poor and the children. America will spiral into economic bankruptcy and collapse. The debt now is 14 trillion dollars and 80 million baby boomers are expecting their entitlements.
It's an immature stance to have an extreme libertarian view.
Very narrow minded response and argued on a non-factual basis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1y_jsaF4pQ This video supplied to us by the Socialist of Street Easy reveals the true intentions of the "progressives", the left and the Obama administration. You have been warned. Do not say i did not know.
You did not know.
alanhart The socialist court jester.
Where am I? I'm re-distributing your money!
Socialist. Thatz funny.
Nyc10023. I think anyone on se looking at NYC re prices don't have to worry about a welfare mother with two kids taking their favorite booth at the four seasons restaurant on new year's eve.
Julialg..... You belong somewhere, just not NYC. Look all around you. We r all of different backgrounds, color and income. Your 'hero' image is 'code' for intolerance. Show me your utopia where ppl aren't judged by their looks, religion, sex and where everyone gets fair shots at education etc etc etc. Then I'm in your camp.
W67: It bothers me that we've created a situation where it is smarter to have kids & collect welfare than to go find a min. wage job. Not saying that either scenario is desirable. That's one of the structural reasons we have high unemployment and simultaneously a never-ending thirst for undocumented labor in the service industries. Another reason is racism/classism. Restaurants and UWS parents would hire illegal workers from the 3rd world over native-born people from less salubrious parts of NYC. Just saying.
w67.....No i belong in NYC.. The individual is the smallest minority; if you protect an inividual's rights then all citizen's rights are protected.
Sadly this is a very intollerant message board. I challenge any of you to start to be more respectful of others less fortune out there by starting right here with others on the message board.
By the way I am starting again to look for a new place for us and don't want everyone being a jerk. Don't buy! Don't rent! Don't move! Sue your co-op board! They are lying! NO, none of that please, why can't you all be helpful for a chance.
Another totally undigested Ayn Rand bumper sticker from julia, who doesn't even understand what it means.
What's really funny is that at the very core of Rand's philosophy was an absolute overarching reliance on *reason*, and all these imbeciles spewing little Randian taglines all over the web completely lack the ability to reason.
alanhart..... You appear to be a peculiar petty little man who is good at correcting grammar and punctuation marks. However. just because you read the cliff notes to Atlas and the Fountain Head doesn't mean you really understand Rand.
Julia. I like to think myself an evolving being. Maybe when I die it'll be at my highest evolution, highly doubtful.
You Julia, have never suffered. The childish rants of the individual does not occur in the deepest despair of a human being. To deny our interconnectedness is to deny your own humanity.
Think Julia. Always think. Don't take one philosophy and never evolve. Try them all for size, realize the inevitability of evil in humans if left unchecked. I was you 20 yrs ago. Thought all my accomplisents were mine and mine alone. Thatz complete bullshit. I've been blessed by many many ppl, like my English teacher who took the extra time to teach a new immigrant in 5th grade.
In the end it matters not, for I just looked at the sky and I see a large object headed towards us! Never mind, it's the moon.
And you say you can't do poetry!
You're not too bad yourself, Alan. Feeling very lucid after my venting this day. :)
w67......You are extraordinarily presumptuousness with your "You Julia. have never suffered." comment. But, I will forgive your arrogance since you are "an evolving being".
I am intrigued that several people on this board believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it has ever been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge. My question is, at what point do you think there is enough government intrusion in our lives, and at what point to I deserve to keep what I work for. First, I didn't vote for W. and don't support the war in Iraq (though I do support the war in Afghanistan) so I'm not happy with my taxes going there. Second, I think social security should be means tested and once your income is above a certain level your benefits stop once your are paid back what you put into the system, plus the risk free rate of interest earned. The system can't work when you have 2.5 people paying for every recipient. Long story short, there has to be a middle ground where we can meet or are we just a reflection of the insanity that is Washington.
mets2009.... There is no middle ground between good and evil. Watch the video the Socialist provided for us. The thugs in Washington are slowly dragging the sheep to the slaughter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1y_jsaF4pQ Please view to see their ultimate goal.
I'm not sure what system we have. It is nott classic capitalism by any standard measure.. Wall Street contributed greatly to Barack Obama's campaign and from what we've seen they've gotten a good return on their money. Post crisis they've avoided any meaningful new regulation, received zero cost financing and gotten to profit from various Gov't programs such as build America bonds, managing Treasury/Fed assets, the list goes on. And Citi got an investor who refuses to comment to congress and declares itself a passive investor.
Riversider......I totally agree with your assessment of big business and big government. However, the complete abject corruption of our government and the socialist "representatives" should bear the burden of our scorn.
Socialism? Are you people serious?
You act like any deviation from your utopian free market fantasy world obviously transforms immediately to socialism. You sling that word around without any understanding of what it means. No one in any position of power is proposing anything that resembles socialism as a political or economic order in any conventional sense of the word.
Let's compare 2 countries. One is totally free market and has no laws, including no building codes. It's called Haiti. The other is an evil big Socialist government with laws, including building codes. It's called Chile. Haiti had a 7.0 earthquake and 240,000 people died. Chile had an 8.8 earthquake and 700 people died. End of discussion.
"How about blaming the party and administration actually responsible for what happened - the Republicans and George Bush, and his father and Reagan. How about blaming the party that actually repealed the legislation that regulated banks - the Republicans."
I love it!
Perfitz moron tries to cover up that CLINTON REPEALED THE LEGISLATION by pretending he was tied up, and congress has the power. Then, when he finally learns in 2010 that the Democrats have held both houses of congress since 2006, suddenly congress has no power, and its all the president.
Perfitz, we already knew you were a moron, but WOW this is hypocrisy.
I'm not sure how anyone with a brain can defend the democrats... well, I guess that explains perfitz.
The Reason the country isn't focused on Blaming Bush is they see the connection between the same Obama officials "fixing the crisis" and the Obama officials "causing" the crisis Rubin, Summers and Geithner
Socialist... You really need an education..You claim Haiti is free market capitalism . No wonder our country is in so much trouble.
Haiti is indeed free market. As long as you bribe the people in charge, you can do ANYTHING you want to.
Socialist... You are completely ignorant. Never revel yourself to anyone; your comments make a mockery of the education "industry" in America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1y_jsaF4pQ...... Please watch, a teachable video from the Street Easy resident socialist.
Palin used Canada's socialized, single-payer health care system:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/85435-palin-i-snuck-across-canadian-border-for-heatlhcare
Uh-oh. This can't be good news for the free market teabaggers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1y_jsaF4pQ.....
Interesting how a described socialist would use such a derogatory term for fiscal conservatives. Even a system based on socialism needs to run a balanced budget.
The teabaggers gave themselves the name "teabaggers." Even Fox News used the term.
hey Julia, since you love my videos so much, here are some more:
Ron Bloom, Obama Manufacturing Czar: The free market is nonsense. We kinda agree with Mao that political power come largely from the barrel of a gun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27cXXirAIw4
Van Jones, Obama Green Jobs Czar: How's that Capitalism WOrkin' for you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59d42nLfyKA
Is socialist the nom de plume of perfitz?
Riversider.... The socialist is probably living off daddy's trust fund.
I knew a real socialist once. Very smart guy and honestly believed in what he believed. After the fall of the USSR he had to visit. He came back saying, "I cannot believe how wrong I was".
I went to the USSR in 1988 to Leningrad; you can not believe the misery and the scale of the debacle. It was truly scary.The liberals should kiss the ground of the free market capitalism system.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1y_jsaF4pQ....
Julia, did you get a direct flight from Havana/Miami?