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cost push Inflation coming

Started by Riversider
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Global miners and key Asian steelmakers have agreed to a record increase in iron ore prices after they signed deals to replace the 40-year-old pricing system based on annual contracts with new short-term deals linked to the spot market. Iron ore is one of the main ingredients used to make steel. The new agreements mean that steelmakers will pay around $110-$120 a tonne next quarter for their iron ore, a 90-100 per cent increase from the $60 level at which the 2009-10 annual contracts were settled, industry executives said.
Response by Riversider
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What Does Cost-Push Inflation Mean?
A phenomenon in which the general price levels rise (inflation) due to increases in the cost of wages and raw materials.

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Response by NYC10013
almost 16 years ago
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What I'm seeing is raw material / partially finished COGS pricing inflating but that's putting pressue on margins which will keep wages down...

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Response by Riversider
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I would bet that auto companies, appliance makers and others pass the prices along. Will be interesting to see what G.M. does now that it's government motors. If they can't keep the same volume at a higher price will the tax payer eat the loss?

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Response by columbiacounty
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pretty clear you've never been in business. no one is passing along cost increases for consumer products in an economy like this. fixed costs remain a large component of overall cost so there's always a competitor willing to hold the line on pricing or better yet continue to cut.

stick with youtube.

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Response by urbandigs
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look at lumber prices lately

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Response by columbiacounty
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lumber is not a consumer product; its a commodity. very different pricing dynamic. was recently in local lumberyard---anecdote from there was contractor business non existent somewhat offset by big uptick in do it yourselfers. hoping for no more layoffs.

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Response by stevejhx
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How did I know it was RS?

RS, according to your General Theory of Everything, inflation is a purely monetary event that is unrelated to changes in prices: it is simply a change in the money supply.

Therefore, there can be no such thing as "cost-push inflation," because the increase in those prices will merely crowd out other prices, and cause a reallocation of assets.

Much like you claim government spending does.

Or have you become a Keynesian all of a sudden?

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Response by stevejhx
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"I would bet that auto companies, appliance makers and others pass the prices along."

Then you don't know anything about supply and demand. Need I give you the lesson?

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Response by sidelinesitter
almost 16 years ago
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Gotta jump in here and agree with cc (not my customary position in a cc vs. rs debate, to be sure). The idea of cost push inflation with unemployment at nearly 10% (and going nowhere) and capacity utilization where it is is just comical. Agree with cc and 13 that any increase in raw material costs goes to margins, not price.

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Response by Riversider
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Sideline, no idea what cc has said as I have him on block, but Steel is a major cpt of cars and steel companies have announced major price increases. The car companies will not be inclined to sell cars at a loss on an ongoing basis. The extent to which they scale back production in the face of weak demand will relate to fixed vs variable production costs. G.M. will be the interesting story here since they can have the taxpayer absorb losses.

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Response by sidelinesitter
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He's basically saying that your theory makes no sense. I happen to agree.

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Response by Riversider
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Fine, we'll revisit in three months.

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Response by columbiacounty
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perhaps you may want to attempt to explain to riversider the difference between fixed costs and variable costs? on the other hand, why bother?

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Response by stevejhx
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RS, you (again) blithely ignore my critical question: the Vienna Schools does not allow for wage or price inflation, only for monetary inflation. Ask Paul Schiff.

So - what's your post about?

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Response by Riversider
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The world is not so simple and Economics is not physics.

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Response by Riversider
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Steve, Are you an idealogue?

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Response by stevejhx
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No, RS, a Keynesian. Not a novel reader.

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Response by Riversider
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Don't believe in no animal spirits.

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Response by columbiacounty
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oh no...you've been tubed.

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Response by klingoncomm1
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columbiacounty
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ugh, the steps I have to go through to read columbiacounty's anger

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Response by jason10006
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Steel is a tiny component of the things that make up CPI. Irrelevant. The price of cars is more contrained by global overcapacity than it might be impacted by the price of steel, and cars have generally been DEFLATING for years as formerly expensive "luxury" options become standard for free and productivity gains drastically drives down the cost of production. TO cite ONE example.

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Response by Riversider
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First the CPI is a gov't view of inflation which benefits.... the gov't.
Steel is used in just about everything construction, appliances and cars.
Add to that oil is up substantially from the low
and the Chinese Yuan is poised to appreciate

Add real interest rates going up due to too many bonds chasing too few dollars

and costs are going up.

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Response by Riversider
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http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/30/news/economy/coming_inflation.fortune/

Back in the treasury market, 30-year treasuries have gone from yielding 3.73% to yielding 4.72% over the last year. That increase has happened for shorter-term treasuries -- the short end of the yield curve -- as well. And all these increases have happened despite the fact the Fed has maintained its target rate at 0 -- 0.25%. Bond yields, in other words, are already accounting for inflation.

Finally, in the chart at the top of this page, we've plotted the Journal of Commerce Industrial Price Index over the last year. This index charts the price of key commodities that are used in industrial production. The chart is up and to the right, screaming inflation. Commodity inflation will likely lead China to report its first trade deficit in March in 6 years!

As they say, the markets don't lie, people do (or government statistics as the case may be). Based on the evidence above, we're sticking with our inflation call -- until the markets, and the data, tell us different.

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Response by columbiacounty
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gibberish...

the gov't is corrupt and lying
steel is important but maybe not that important
oil is up from last years lows but down substantially from two years ago...but what the hell does that have to do with anything in this post?
and the chinese...well, never hurts to throw them in the mix?

oh...and while i'm at it interest rates are going up unless they're going down

and yes...i am foaming at the mouth.

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Response by klingoncomm1
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columbiacounty
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What?

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Response by Riversider
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Response by columbiacounty
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tubed again.

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