Gloria Kagan's apt

$879 psf for a pretty prime co-op, no?

An avowed enemy of Jack 'n' Jill bathrooms, I've never seen a double Jack 'n' Jill. Did Candela do that a lot? Was it an alteration?

And can we go back in time and stop prewar architects from designing apartments that are great for entertaining, yet require guests to walk through bedrooms to make?

is it technically jack and jill if he has two separate toilets, two separate sinks, and separate bathing in each?

I thought jack and jill was shared bathroom + doored off commode.

SWE: the buyer got lucky (or not, depending on your market view). It was an estate sale, so the beneficiaries typically are more eager to cut a deal.

AH: what's wrong with using the maid's bath?

Ask the maid.

Who's Gloria Kagan?

> Small world. Who knew that this is where Elena Kagan grew up?

So perhaps they want to play down the "humble origins" thing....

matt, matt..... read the news now and then.

> SWE: the buyer got lucky (or not, depending on your market view).

if the buyer was waiting until after the bubble pop, I wouldn't call it lucky.

It was humblish, swe. Both her parents were either in the non-profit/quasi-non-profit sector. Classic 6es didn't go for very much back then, and her parents probably benefited from insider pricing when the bldg went co-op.

One brother teaches at Bx Sci, the other at Hunter. So not exactly wallowing in it.

Didn't you see Christopher Gray's tale of his $150,000 UWS C8 co-op circa 1981? And he was a Johnny-come-lately at least 20 years younger than Kagan's parents.

> Didn't you see Christopher Gray's tale of his $150,000 UWS C8 co-op circa 1981?

If someone had $150k in 1981, I would not be talking about humble beginnings.

> Both her parents were either in the non-profit/quasi-non-profit sector.

Wow, if thats what passes for poor these days, I have a few million folks who'd like to meet you...

that layout is perfect for me...i wonder if a maids room is considered a bedroom since it has a window.

somewhereelse,

who has been claiming that kagan came from "humble" parentage. if anything, my preconception was that she came from a more elite background than she actually did--it's not as if her parents lived in a penthouse on fifth avenue.

obviously elena kagan came from a moderately priviledged, upper middle class background. her dad was a public-interest attorney; her mom was a teacher. they lived in what was at the time an upper middle class home (i'm guessing she lived in the maids room and her brothers shared the second bedroom). she attended public school (she was quite brilliant at hunter). no: hers is not a rags-to-riches story like sonia sotomayor's or barack obama. but she was certainly not born into the power elite.

btw, i saw this apartment when it was on the market and it was in dire condition--it required a complete gut renovation. it's also on the 3rd floor with bedrooms facing west end. so i don't think it was a particularly low price, even for the great location.

Where did she summer?

alanhart, that connected-bathroom bit also turns up at 336 CPW -- http://img.streeteasy.com/nyc/image/10/2423210.jpg -- and some other buildings I can't think of off-hand. Usually it's when one bath has a stall shower and the other a tub, maybe to give both bedrooms more flexibility.

"who has been claiming that kagan came from "humble" parentage. if anything, my preconception was that she came from a more elite background than she actually did--

I listened to the obama speech this am.

"it's not as if her parents lived in a penthouse on fifth avenue."

is anything but a penthouse on 5th humble? how abot a penthouse on CPW?
How about a calendelaria building on west end... oh, wait...

i listend to his speech as well. please find the quote about her struggle to climb out of poverty.

but this idea that she had an economically elite background is just completely inaccurate. the kagans lived on the third floor. they lived in a 2.5 bedroom apartment with three kids. they sent elena to public school. they worked in public interest. they lived in a middle class neighborhood.

why not look for a new--and preferably believale--avenue of attack.

candelaria is not an architect--i assume you mean candela. and my college roommate grew up in a building designed by mies van der rohe--a lower-middle-class apartment building in newark, new jersey. a famour architect does not equal an elite building.

HR, did you just try and compare an apartment on West End Ave at 75th with... uh... Newark?

I don't know much about her, but on principle I object to nominating a 50yr old to a lifetime tenure position - at current life expectancies, she is expected to live another 32 years. Its just crazy to have someone in such a powerful, unelected position for so long. We need to either amend the constitution and put in some limits 15-20yrs, or only appoint older people who won't ossify the institution to such a degree.

Did you check the actuarial table for supermorbidlyobese 50-year-old?

olds

Also, John Roberts was 50 at appointment, and the current SCOTUS membership was all appointed at about that age.

yes - this is the problem - they are appointed to young which means they stay too long. i just don't see how that is any good for the country, especially now that the court itself appears to be increasingly aligning itself along political/idealogical boundaries.

On the other hand, they're almost all from the NY area.

Conspiracy theorists, submit your hypotheses!

Nice reference HR! The Colonnade in Newark happens to be a really cool looking building. Too bad it got lost while driving through NJ - ended up in the wrong neighborhood.

AH: I don't know where she summered. D'you? She's plump, not obese! Unless those head shots are head shots for a reason.

Note that I said "humblish" which is an all-encompassing term that covers a child of well-educated parents living on the UWS.