Is this a pipe dream?

would say yes if you don't need renovations and you would be open to a real 1,000 sq ft.

There are a few on SE that fit your criteria asking 4600, 4700. Call 'em up and offer 4500.

NYC10023, last week there was a listing that was brand new on SE. (1800 sq ft at 4800 supposedly). Would have taken it in a heartbeat. I emailed both brokers, called both brokers, no response, even went to a local office where the broker on duty printed out the listing for me, adding an additional cell phone number. no responses. Finally called management company and got a nasty lady who told me that i had to go through the broker and that I should go into one of the offices. Duh. She said I had to "take the bull by the horns". after a week of no responses to any of my repeated contacts I called again and was told a contract was being signed in an hour. well-known not sleazy (?) brokerage.
I have emailed re one of the listings that you are probably referring to. NADA. as yet.
Can't even get these expletive brokers to respond. and i often go to their web sites and email through there with real name and phone number, not anonymously through SE.
Similar thing happened last December before I renewed current lease. then i wrote it off as holiday season, no one wanting to work.
May have to go to the burbs....

1800 sqft is unrealistic and was probably a fake listing. 4500 for 1200 sqft seems doable.

Agree, except the streeteasy previous rentals showed the same apt. number rented a year ago wtih same sq ft. and they didn't even try a bait and switch, nor did they delete the listing prior to marking it rented.. thanks for the help. I need to "take the bull by the horns" as the bitch told me. Other analogies come to mind, but I won't go there...

Is there any way to search rentals, excluding coops and condos? I see where one can do an inclusive search, with a given term, but not how to exclude coops and condos. I must be missing something, hard to believe that SE would not have implemented this reasonable feature.

Not that I've seen. But I know which buildings are co-ops and condos, so not too hard to avoid.

Well, it says it in the listng. so if one searches 3500=5000 2 bedrooms, one gets 119 hits. geez, I used to be a high level computer programmer for IBM in a previous lifetime. SE needs to add a few lines of code. It can't be that I'm the only one inconvenienced by this (although in the scheme of life's problems, it's not really consequential). I'm not going to do it for them, LOL. Thanks for your responses and help, nyc10023. really much appreciated. and no flaming, how refreshing, but I think that's reserved for the regulars who delight in the game.
i have one other requirement, the street parking has to be in the 11-12:30 alternate side, since I'm not an early morning person. north of 84 gets difficult, but I think at some point it reverts.
Now the only problem is to get brokers to respond. I even emailed one re an apt for sale. no reponse, yet. so even if he's on vacation, wouldn't he have a colleague backup?. I truly can't fathom how these guys make a living. GG

gaongaon - I may be missing something, but when you do a rental search, the results tell you if it's a rental, condo or coop. Unfortunately, you do have to scroll through all the results to get to the rentals you're looking for.

you might be missing something? more wine, fatso.

Ah yes, there's CC again - the CRAZY OLD COOT. Hey CC, go out on your porch and shoot the rabbits with your BB gun. Maybe have your wife help you with your walker.

Wait CC - "fatso"? Are you confusing me with AR?

no...i'm very clear that you're the fatso. drink up.

gango, you may find this idea novel. Find a broker. Domt call random landlords and other brokers on their listings.

yes, so maybe half of the 119 are not applicable. exactly. and then many, most, don't have sq ft or floorplans. that can't be avoided. i would venture a guess that most people looking for a rental do not want a coop and aren't going to be bothered to investigate if a condo rental could be a very long term rental. this would be so easy for SE to implement. it's a bother. I can put in inclusive words, such as "view", but I can't rule out coops and condos. why would ANYONE wamt to go through the highly intrusive coop board approval for a one or two year lease. It's disgusting enough if you're looking to buy, but for rentals, it would be insane and you would have no control over the timeframe. it could take forever, and they might not like the color of your underwear in the final analysis. again, simply put, IMHO it behooves SE to make this simple coding change. It's a trivial programming change. Not like writing a compiler. Don't take me wrong, this is a great site, . If I weren't so busy buyig and selling SDS, I'd do it for them gratis, even though my expertise was in systems programming and not in applications.

jimbob will absolutely guarantee that this will work. except that if it doesn't its your tough luck.

cc, what i can guarantee in this instance is that the listing agents would call me back. this seems an issue for the op. also, i could ensure that he saw everything that fit his criteria that was actually on the market and ready to rent. this also seems an issue.

Hey CC - I've never been over 125 pounds - but your friend definitely has been

Go back on the porch - use that BB gun!! Actually, you probably could really use a glass of wine - maybe not - could be dangerous in conjunction with the BB gun.

once a fatso...always a fatso.

hey, cc, see your fanbase is growing. maybe you should just give up on this huh? what do you think?

think on the bright side...in about 12 hrs, you'll be on the bus. enjoy.

Please CC - DON'T TELL AR THAT - didn't she used to weigh 230 pounds? And 125 pounds to you is a fatso? Guess you always live in some alternate reality.

this is all about you, you disgusting wannabe.

No, it's about YOU, the CRAZY OLD COOT stalker

sounds like you just cracked yet another bottle. how many is that so far today?

Are you going to have your wife help you off the porch now? You really should go in now - it's way past your bedtime.

back to the point. OP, have you considered getting recommends on a broker for your search? if not, why?

cc, hot, airless stifling humid and smelly subway stations make for better transportation options for a 25 block commute? i really don't get your logic.

of course you don't. the subway is not the only other alternative.

subway, bus, car service/taxi, walking....i walk when it's comfortable enough. i take taxi's to come home pretty often. how do you get to work?

not on a bus....

and, i don't think of the east 50's as a desirable neighborhood.

but then, i'm not jimbob jones, rental broker extraordinaire.

have you ever thought about what you're going to do when this gig finally blows up?

Gangaon: I took all the SE UWS listings for 2brs, max pric 5000, and I took out the ones I know to be co-ops and condos. Enjoy!

229 West 78th Street
(NO FEE) $5,000
2 beds 2 baths
1,400 ft²

2 beds 1 bath
98 Riverside Drive
Rental, Upper West Side
Listed by Citi-Habitats

110 West 86th Street
$5,000
2 beds 2 baths
110 West 86th Street
Rental, Upper West Side
Listed by Citi-Habitats

311 West 87th Street
↓ $5,000
2 beds 2 baths

116 West 80th Street
Rental, Upper West Side
Listed by Sir Realty

228 W 71st Street
Rental, Lincoln Square
Listed by Manhattan Management Group

189 West 89th Street
Upper West Side
Listed by Related

323 West 96th Street
Rental, Upper West Side
Listed by Barak Realty
200 West 86th Street
↓ $4,900
2 beds 2 baths
1,400 ft²

424 West End Avenue
(NO FEE) $4,895
2 beds 2 baths
Listed by Manhattan Skyline

98 Riverside Drive
↓ $4,850
2 beds 1 bath
98 Riverside Drive
Rental, Upper West Side
Listed by Citi-Habitats

229 West 60th Street
(NO FEE) $4,803
2 beds 2 baths
1,200 ft²
Listed by Triumph Property Group

150 West 92nd
(NO FEE) $4,800
2 beds 2 baths
150 West 92nd
Rental, Upper West Side
Listed by Luxury Property Group

149 W 79
Rental, Upper West Side
Listed by Rudd Group

14 West 76th Street
Rental, Upper West Side
Listed by Luxor Homes & Investment Realty

51 West 86th
$4,500
2 beds 2 baths

51 West 86th
Rental, Upper West Side
Listed by Rachel Realty

220 West 71st Street
$4,500
2 beds 1 bath
1,200 ft²
Listed by Fenwick Keats Goodstein

341 West 71st Street
(NO FEE) $4,500
2 beds 2 baths
Listed by Luxury Property Group

325 Riverside Drive
$4,500
2 beds 2 baths
1,250 ft²
Listed by Corcoran

200 West 60th Street
(NO FEE) $4,400
2 beds 2 baths
200 West 60th Street
Rental, Lincoln Square
Listed by Brodsky

47 West 84th Street
↓ $4,350
2 beds 1 bath
Rental, Upper West Side
Listed by Citi-Habitats

817 West End Avenue
$4,300
2 beds 2 baths
Listed by Raz Realty

150 W 92nd Street
(NO FEE) $4,200
2 beds 2 baths
Listed by DER Realty

39 W 72nd
$4,199
2 beds 2 baths
1,200 ft²
Rental, Upper West Side
Listed by Rudd Group

33 West End Avenue
↓ (NO FEE) $4,095
2 beds 2 baths
Rental, Lincoln Square
Listed by Cantor and Pecorella

I tired after the 5th page.

does leaving this axxhole lingering on the site bring more readership? wtf, i would think the opposite. why isn't this he/she banned? not a good reflection on SE. unless the number of site hits by perverts increases their chances of being bought out. and here i was considering subscribing, better to go to pshark. jim hones, with which brokerage are you? i would pick Keith (or Michael) but the UWS doesn't seem to be their rental forte.
I'm not a proponent of BB guns, but CC really should self destroy, do you hear me SE? I think that's also a programming decision.

cc, keep bringing it all back to you. hijack another thread, why not? you've already been ostracized by streeteasy.

hey good luck with jim hones....you deserve him.

Hey, more scores for columbiacounty. Good job boy!
Calling someone a fatso, what a zinger!

gaongaon, i could help you, but i'm not sharing my info here. i'm not very popular on streeteasy. but i do keep my comments about real estate (and rentals) pretty consistently. i'm merely suggesting you reach out to friends/colleagues/etc, get a recommendation and go from there.

so much for guarantees. not a surprise.

Another score for columbiaboy!

Whoops, I meant columbiacounty boy.

Gangaon: the same names keep popping up.

Try the local offices of Fenwick, Citihabitats, Rachel, etc. If you are averse to paying a fee, tell 'em that and see if the LL will cover.

nyc10023, many thanks for your efforts. on your list is the broker that was nonreponsive, there is one that i know for a fact was rented, there is 98 riverside which seems to have gotten a really bad rap on this site. i will investigate the others. not sure why jim hones thinks i need a broker to get a rental from another broker. for 5K, i shouldn't need political influence. btw, i absolutely love my rental building, but it doesn't have the right configurations for me, and i'm in a small apt at the moment.. i don't need 2.5 bathrooms in order to get 2 bedrooms.

nyc10023
4 minutes ago
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report abuse Gangaon: the same names keep popping up.

Try the local offices of Fenwick, Citihabitats, Rachel, etc. If you are averse to paying a fee, tell 'em that and see if the LL will cover.

nyc, rents are going up not down. offering less in rent right now is a sure way of losing an available apartment. not recommended. you don't want to pay the asking rent, don't bother. any apartment that size in that location at the busiest time of year for rentals is going to get multiple offers. if your's is below ask, what do you think happens to it?
similarly, if a listing is "no fee" that's one thing. but no way a landlord is going to pay someone elses's bill at this time of year. again, this will put your app at the bottom of the pile

gaongaon
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report abuse nyc10023, many thanks for your efforts. on your list is the broker that was nonreponsive, there is one that i know for a fact was rented, there is 98 riverside which seems to have gotten a really bad rap on this site. i will investigate the others. not sure why jim hones thinks i need a broker to get a rental from another broker. for 5K, i shouldn't need political influence. btw, i absolutely love my rental building, but it doesn't have the right configurations for me, and i'm in a small apt at the moment.. i don't need 2.5 bathrooms in order to get 2 bedrooms.

the reason i think it gangoan is because you posted here that you are having trouble finding the apartment you want.

look at it this way. you call up a listing agent, who has an interest in renting THAT apartment, or another in the building. Same with an on-site or managing agent.
Or, you work with someone who was recommended. Their responsibility is to find you an apartment, not rent one for the landlord. So when new inventory hits (it does every day) if they are doing their job you'll know about it. Follow?

JH10, you are making many unwarranted assumptions. i have not underbid on any apt, and i am not averse to paying a fee. get the pole out of your derriere. unless you enjoy it.

and further, this time of year, listing agents and landlords are getting hundreds of calls a week for good apartments. i use my out of office assistant to update people on availabilities sometimes because i literally can't have the same conversation 30-40 times a day, even by email. i send out email updates for new availabilites, upcoming availabilities, etc. i rarely answer my mobile if i don't know the number because it's just maddening. especially when an apartment has an application, but doesn't yet have signed leases but someone still wants to see it, etc.

Jimhones: there is no "memory" to this game. So what if you go round 1 and your offers get turned down. You wait a while, then up the offer. That's how you find out what the market is. Gaongaon has a home right now, and isn't desperate. BTDT.

gaongaon
4 minutes ago
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report abuse JH10, you are making many unwarranted assumptions. i have not underbid on any apt, and i am not averse to paying a fee. get the pole out of your derriere. unless you enjoy it.

now you are being an asshole to? i was answering ny10023 not you. cocksucker.

nyc10023
less than a minute ago
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report abuse Jimhones: there is no "memory" to this game. So what if you go round 1 and your offers get turned down. You wait a while, then up the offer. That's how you find out what the market is. Gaongaon has a home right now, and isn't desperate. BTDT.

not bad advice if you don't really care if you lose the apartment you are bidding on, but bad advice if you do.

Jimhones: I have no trouble paying a broker's fee (in fact have done so almost every time I've rented, bought, sold). If a potential renter wants to suss out LL's negotiability, that is his/her prerogative, and it's a wise thing to do, IMO. Again, BTDT.

Gaogaon: I was your opposite - looking for a condo rental from owner. Long-term rental, btw. I stayed away from rental buildings.

nyc10023, I don't understand the BTDT acronym.

Been there, done that.

Except for the larger LLs with good reps and smaller family-owned bldgs on the UWS, I've found rental bldgs to be poorly maintained. That is why I focused on condos the last time I rented.

nyc10023, i've seen it work. condos and non-professional landlords are a better bet. but trying to save a couple hundred a month now, in this current climate vs. risking a chance of losing your place in line? it's not a good play.

I'm not in the rental market now, but I've rented when the economy was much better, and never regretted making offers lower than ask when necessary. If you're not moving from out of town and need a place desperately, why not? A couple of hundred dollars adds up to a few thousand yearly.

And you're talking about a rental here - I can't see that there are many "dream" rentals out there that you can't lose.

I know the UWS, and riffling through the rental inventory, I have a pretty good idea of condition, etc. LLs read about the "uptick" in the economy and get excited. Also, you get a feel for whether an apt is going to linger or not. An apt in great condition, asking a "fair" price will go quickly. No doubt about it, I don't even know if they really make it on SE. For me, the SE listings are the dregs of the market.

NYC10023, you seem to be a voice of reason in this abyss. I discovered several years ago that the smaller family owned bldgs would not rent to someone without a "job" even if they had 10 million in money markets stable over multiple year duration. Is that age discrimation against people who cut coupons? Perhaps. I'm not a litigous sort. And it was the 'masters of the universe" who lost their jobs and had to move. not the coupon cutters. (which I'm not, I trade aggressively and do quite well, maintaining very high cash levels at all times).
I'm looking for someplace to spend my last "emeritus years" statistically perhaps 30 at best. can I find that in a condo? you tell me, i doubt it. don't want to move again ever until the parking lot called gomel chesed or whatever, LOL.
My building is very well maintained, and i NEVER hear a neighbor. Never. Superior construction or happenstance. don't know. Great building only the size i want is bypassed here. Hence, my need to move. how does one block the obnoxious here. doesn't matter. moving on to pshark.

Hey CC - don't you know that the East 50's are, other than the East Village, AR's favorite neighborhood?

nyc10023
13 minutes ago
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report abuse I'm not in the rental market now, but I've rented when the economy was much better, and never regretted making offers lower than ask when necessary. If you're not moving from out of town and need a place desperately, why not? A couple of hundred dollars adds up to a few thousand yearly.

And you're talking about a rental here - I can't see that there are many "dream" rentals out there that you can't lose.

I know the UWS, and riffling through the rental inventory, I have a pretty good idea of condition, etc. LLs read about the "uptick" in the economy and get excited. Also, you get a feel for whether an apt is going to linger or not. An apt in great condition, asking a "fair" price will go quickly. No doubt about it, I don't even know if they really make it on SE. For me, the SE listings are the dregs of the market.

I work with a great (small) landlord who has buildings on the uws and ues only (about 30). Their apartments are gems. All low-rise elevator buildings on park blocks. Their listings never make it onto streeteasy. They only list through my firm and one other (far smaller) one. We rarely even get their listings in our systyem because they price so well that we usually have applications for them before they actually hit the market. This is a prime example of how "doing it yourself" and only relying on streeteasy (or nybits, or whatever else) is shortsited.

Thats the same happy horseshit that assholes like you have been pimping since before you were born. What are you going to do when this finally all goes away?

gaongaon
14 minutes ago
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report abuse NYC10023, you seem to be a voice of reason in this abyss. I discovered several years ago that the smaller family owned bldgs would not rent to someone without a "job" even if they had 10 million in money markets stable over multiple year duration. Is that age discrimation against people who cut coupons? Perhaps. I'm not a litigous sort. And it was the 'masters of the universe" who lost their jobs and had to move. not the coupon cutters. (which I'm not, I trade aggressively and do quite well, maintaining very high cash levels at all times).
I'm looking for someplace to spend my last "emeritus years" statistically perhaps 30 at best. can I find that in a condo? you tell me, i doubt it. don't want to move again ever until the parking lot called gomel chesed or whatever, LOL.
My building is very well maintained, and i NEVER hear a neighbor. Never. Superior construction or happenstance. don't know. Great building only the size i want is bypassed here. Hence, my need to move. how does one block the obnoxious here. doesn't matter. moving on to pshark.

now i know why no one calls you back. there is something the matter with you. it's obvious reading your posts.

Happy horseshit, another score for columbiacounty! Good for you!

Jimhones: I know the smaller LLs as well, and I am very aware that some will only go through broker, price to market, etc. They usually get their tenants w/o advertising much because they already have a waitlist, so to speak of people who've been by the building, and want to get in. The big building that on Amsterdam & 72nd is an example (can't remember the name offhand) -has very large apts, is well-maintained, and always price aggressively for what it is.

Gaongaon: in your position (strong cash, but no "job"), yes the smaller LLs are very hesitant and would rather rent to a banker who might easily lose his/her job within the year. C'est la vie. I would go for a condo, and look around for an investor-condo in one of the bldgs known for that on the UWS (i.e. not likely to turn around and kick you out bcs they are selling).

columbiacounty
3 minutes ago
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report abuse Thats the same happy horseshit that assholes like you have been pimping since before you were born. What are you going to do when this finally all goes away?

cc given that it has been going on since before i was born (never mind that it is true) i think i'm safe for the balance of my working days. probably another 20 years or so. you're so disgruntled. did your father abuse you or something? or maybe he abused your mom. are you in therapy?

Hey stupid. The NY times has been in business for over 100 years and they're struggling. The times are changing. I wouldn't count on yesterdays ideas carrying you for another 5 years much less 20.

What else are you qualified to do? Bus driver?

Strange things go on for families in Columbia County. Something happens when you cross the Hudson from Greene County.

cc thinks the real estate industry is going to go away in the next 5 years. do you GUARANTEE that? what do smart business people do when times change? they adapt. i've THRIVED in what is supposed to be a bad market. is the times out of business? do you expect that there won't be a nytimes in 20 years?

Jim: be serious. NYT as a BRAND will probably exist in 20. As a serious newspaper? I dunno and you know, I'm sad about that.

As for RE, yeah, middleman will always be there. But the precise model? Who knows.

anyway, time for bed. business is so bad that i need to be in the office by 7 tomorrow.

Middlemen are being squeezed in every business. The situation in NYC with rentals makes no economic sense. As older landlords cede their properties to the next generation, it is inevitable that middleman fees will go directly to landlords instead of under the table as they do now.

Squeezed or got hit by a bus?

JH10, no wonder you are not popular on this site. you're a flaming axxhole. wtf will you do in the office at 7 if business is so bad, play with yourself? despite high quality posters, the very few here, i'm gone, have fun JH10. it all turned to shit when W81st left,unfortunately. so long all.

Gano, irony clearly lost on you. In by 7 because business IS good. And the reason I'm not popular is because I'm smart, abrasive, and work in the re industry. So you can fuck off ok? Good night.

You're a bloodsucker. Not smart, just another bloodsucker.

gaongaon, two things:
1. "ignore" the assholes; they look nice in light grey
2. if you're thinking about 30 (!) years of staying put, why not buy for cash? $5K/month you're willing to pay in rent can buy you a mazjor nice place.

gaongaon:

Keep in mind that many of the large rental management companies are not listing every apt they have in SE (perhaps some don't list any?), so it's worthwhile to look at their individual web sites, too. I am thinking Brodsky, Archstone, Related, Glenwood, and similar.

Accepting a single bathroom does give you a lot more choice, and at lower price points.

Numerous threads on SE debate buy vs. rent. Recently it seems the big question is whether buy prices are rather high considering where rents are.

Of course you have to compare apples to apples, so it's not entirely fair to put a co-op/condo class apt against a rental class apt, pre-war vs. modern, low vs. high rise, etc. The easiest comparison to make is within a large condo bldg that has lots of apts for rent and for sale.

Assuming we're talking the same fruit, for many people there are non-economic benefits to owning that could justify a premium over buying for an owner-occupant, but just how much of a premium is a good question. Most people below the very wealthy will have some limit as to what they can afford or justify.

There are a raft of investment analysis factors to consider here as well, especially if you buy for all cash vs. whatever else you would invest that money into, but that's another issue.

As for all the back and forth conflict in this thread (and many others), I would highly recommend putting all that out of your mind, not getting sucked into the controversy, and removing emotion from this process as much as possible.

I realize all too well how frustrating and difficult the NYC market can be, even when you have more than enough money to afford what you want!

You are absolutely entitled to have a variety of feelings concerning the overall rental and sales market in NYC, the available apts, brokers, agents, etc. Whatever feeling you have, it's almost certainly been expressed by others here, so you're hardly alone.

But when it comes to reality, being driven by feelings reduces your ability to work towards your goal in a rational manner, and I would counsel against it.

The market overall is entirely impersonal, and entirely out of your control, but your freedom to make individual choices concerning neighborhoods, buildings, apartments, landlords, brokers, etc. is within your control, and that's they key point.

I would say don't bother getting mad, don't bother getting even, just get what you want, want what you can actually get, or reconsider the reality of the situation, adjust some parameters, and begin anew.

I hope this of some help.