Mosque near ground zero

"Everyone involved with politics understands the current dynamic. It’s not hard to grasp. You take very tough economic times, add them to a heavy dose of political opportunism, and multiply both by the aggravating factor of a nihilistic commercial media, and what you get is ethnic scapegoating on a massive scale."

This pretty much "nails" Krauthammer's article.

sniper...you're not taking into consideraton the heartache of those who lost loved ones...also, if we didn't have 24 hour cable news shows this would be a blip on the news.

juliag should learn from plain julia. We here in NEW YORK or even MANHATTAN did not even (mostly) KNOW about this until Fox News et al made in issue starting May...and I work in firm that was in the towers! This was a non-issue for a long time.

jason, correct me if i'm wrong, but are you in fact PRAISING fox for singlehandedly bringing this important and tremendously polarizing issue to the general public's attention? and, in fact, taking pride in knowing little outside of what you are carefully fed by the people who decide what you should and should not know and care about? just wondering.

not a fox fan, btw

funny stuff lucillebluth. i am assuming you are joking? i could be wrong, but i think what he is saying is that until fox decided to make this a polarizing issue, no one cared that much about it. we have all seen the clips of laura ingraham praising the mosque a few months back, haven't we?

julia - i am taking it into consideration: http://blog.nj.com/njv_bob_braun/2010/08/mosque_near_world_trade_center.html a lot of the widows/relatives of those killed are surprised about the uproar.

regarding the az immigartion law, the great part about that is that arizona has privatized a bunch of their prisons (they tried to get them all privatized) and the governor and others close to her all happen to have ties (read: get money from!) those who run those private (read: for profit!) prisons in arizona and they would sure be making a lot more money if they came up with a way to get more people into those prisons.

just follow the money trail. in every example that krauthammer described, some corporation stands to make big money from the hate being peddled.

"..this summer’s media hate-fest is different than anything we’ve seen before. What we’re watching is a calculated campaign to demonize blacks, Mexicans, and gays and convince a plurality of economically-depressed white voters that they are under imminent legal and perhaps even physical attack by a conspiracy of leftist nonwhites. They’re telling these people that their government is illegitimate and criminal and unironically urging secession and revolution.

The Fox/Rush/Savage crowd in the last 18 months has taken the anti-Muslim fervor that launched a phony war in Iraq, carried George Bush to re-election, and pushed through the Patriot Act, and re-directed that anger at a domestic nonwhite enemy. In doing so they’ve achieved a perfect storm of political cross-purposes: they’ve almost completely succeeded in distracting the public from the real causes of their economic misfortune (i.e. Wall Street corruption), they’ve re-energized a Republican party that was devastated by eight years of Bush-era corruption and incompetence, and, as usual, they’ve made Rupert Murdoch a shitload of money.

It’s just our bad luck that driving frustrated/broke white suburbanites into a race-hatred frenzy happens to be good business for these folks. And all of this is race-baiting-for-cash is borne out of the same short-term, indifferent-to-consequence thinking that we saw from the Wall Street guys in recent years -- who created mountains of deadly leverage capable of destroying the global financial system for the sake of a few one-year bonuses.

The fact that Fox and co. are doing what they do for these dreary commercial reasons makes it even worse, of course; at least Hitler really hated Jewish people. But that also means there's a bright side. One of the few positives in this Tea Party phenomenon is that it's shown how quickly masses of Americans can be convinced to completely change their minds about shit. The same Americans who six or seven years ago were looking skyward in search of poison-distributing Saddam-drones and buying duct tape and bottled water to protect themselves against imminent Muslim attack are now probably not spending five minutes a week worrying about Muslim terrorists -- and instead arming themselves against the coming black-Mexican-leftist-communist state. To me that indicates that if Fox and Glenn Beck can be induced to jerk off to some perhaps similarly profitable but less toxic hate-fantasy (midgets from New Zealand are taking our jobs!), all of this – well, it maybe won’t go away, but it won’t have us steaming toward widespread racial violence like we are now."

half joking. but come on, he didn't know about is until he found out about it? the rest of your posts is just partisan regurgitation. doesn't mean you're completely wrong (in my humble opinion), but you seem to be shouting out all the right boogeymen on cue. surely you don't have such a simple view of things?
and hitler was a dime a dozen lowlife anti semite of pathetic birth. it was himmler who institutionalized anti semetism and made it political.

so fox is himmler?

fox is the beer hall! duh

No, I didn't know about it at all.

Pew does regular "news interest" polls, and this did not even poll 1% before May. Even in the New York Times or Wall Street journal - the only NYC papers I read - the archives show maybe 5 stories between the two on this in the twelve months before May.

Even now, this polls down on the Pew news interest survey.

lucillebluth,

Why did you ignore me? I am still shocked the conspiracy theory unused. LOL.

A quick lesson on the successful integration of moderate muslins in the UK.

Harrow Sept 2009, Birmingham August 2009, London September 2009, Luton 2009, Blackburn 2009, London August 2009, Bradford June 2009 - a few examples of moderate protests involving violence in England demanding the end of democracy and the implementation of sharia law for the UK. Finsbury park mosque was opened in London in 1994. It was protested against but it was only going to be used by moderates. So far the count is Richard Ried the shoebomber, Zacarias Moussaou and Kamel Rabat Bouralha, Osman Larussi and Yacine Benalia, the latter 3 are implemented in the Beslan School atrocity. Remember that USA? Here are your moderates. These are the people you invite to share your freedoms. Col Qadafi - "We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe—without swords, without guns, without conquest—will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades" Dont think it wont happen here in the US. Sit back and enjoy your freedoms. LOL

happyrenter
so, back to the issue at hand.
how big is the no mosque zone?

sorry happyrenter has left the building... but since nobody seemed to address his question i'll bite. how close is too close is like pornography: i can't define it but i'll know it when i see it

w67 also seems to have left temporarily: settlers=nazis, can you elaborate? or just a little freudian slip?

bj: "Hamas is pure evil"
enjoy!

Developer:

1990 disorderly conduct
1992 DWI
1993 attempted petit larceny
1994 disorderly conduct
1998 disorderly conduct
1999 disorderly conduct
2005 misdemeanor assault and harassment

Just the times he's been caught.

So? Does the first amendment preclude houses of worship built by people who have committed petty crimes?

For those who claim 0.00% of the anti-mosque people are anti-Islam or religious bigots...here are two questions from the latest Newsweek poll that should lay that myth to rest. These results are very similar to those from recent pew and Time polls...about 25% of Americans are anti-Islam no matter WHAT the question:

______________________
20. If a group of Muslim Americans wanted to build a mosque in your local community, would that be okay with you,
or would that NOT be okay with you?
72 Would be okay
23 Would NOT be okay
5 Don’t know
100
[ http://nw-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/pdf/1004-ftop.pdf ]
_________________________

question #21 & 22 go into more detail. Essentially, per this poll, Pew, and Time, about 25% of Americans, give or take, think all or most muslims in the US are violent supporters of al-quaeda and should not be able to build Mosques ANYWHERE.

Considering that New Yorkers in general, and Manhattanites in particular are more tolerant of this Mosque, I would put the local percentage lower. However, judging by the majority of anti-Mosque commentators we have seen here, a good number if not most of the local opposition is anti-Islam more than anything els.

"juliag should learn from plain julia. We here in NEW YORK or even MANHATTAN did not even (mostly) KNOW about this until Fox News et al made in issue starting May...and I work in firm that was in the towers! This was a non-issue for a long time"

Unfortunately CNN on occasion may ignore stories that may "poorly affect" Mr O or the Left which is quite shameful, letting stories boil to a point until they explode.
If they don't like Fox's "version," they should get in A version.....ANY version.

Acorn is one of those stories that comes to mind.

It really is disgraceful how much media plays politics. I understand it always did but where it is today compared to 20 years ago,it is disgusting.

Acorn was not a "story." The video was false, no charges were filed, and acorn is not being charged with any crime. That was most certainly a fake story created by Fox. Even most right-wing pundits now admit the video was (as with Shirley Sherrod) edited to show the opposite of what actually happened. And on Fox you would NEVER hear that the accorn employee in question actually called the police on this alleged "pimp" (who, BTW, was NOT dressed as a pimp in the un-edited video) as soon as he left the office.

FLMAO! See that's the problem, you watch CNN only.
I wasn't even referring to the pimp and ho story.
That was the LAST story!(and the least worrisome)
I'm talking about voter fraud!

You know why FOX became so succesful? Because CNN went too far left and started burying news.
You can't bury news in a free society.
CNN blew it.
When Bush #41 went into Kuwait and CNN started installing mini TVs in supermarket checkouts, they had the world by the balls.
Then they got stupid by picking a side!

What voter fraud? Still have not been charged with anything, let alone convicted. Other than hot air types on fox making it out to be the end-all be-all.

The only voter fraud case I know of was one in which acorn turned in its own people. where is the case where acorn as an organization (or its national leadership or even state level leadership) has been prosecuted or convicted of anything relating to voter fraud? Get back to me when you find that.

the only laws broken were by the wiretap laws broken by the anti-acorn bloggers

same kinda outrage as that over shirley sherrod's "racist" comments

truthskr - it is only voter fraud when its the other party. otherwise it is called 'community organizing'

Oh I see, just like Charles Rangel DIDN'T cheat on his taxes.....
Political party apologists (either party) should really hold up a mirror sometimes......just to see how ridiculous you look.
Enjoy the rest of thread.

Indeed Printer.

Back to the original topic - a new poll out, quantifying how New Yorkers feel about the Center/Mosque:

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1493

"New York City voters say 63 - 28 percent that mosque proponents should voluntarily choose another site"

hey truth--hear ya re acorn and rangel--pls mirror your side of the aisle

Wbottom
I don't have "a side". I for the most lean economically a republican and socially a democrat (I guess a Libertarian? ....for lack of a better term)....or just plain Independant.
In any case, I have voted for both sides of the aisle in my life.

I live in a perpetual Democrat city so my mirror is fixed in that direction. Sorry if it makes some of you look fat.

Right, Charles Rangel, Acorn, Obama, the Mosque, CNN, its all the same thing.

Note, however, that people on this thread like JuliaG and Lucille have REPEATEDLY told us the flat-out lie that "no one is saying they don't have the right...".

This above poll shows 40%(!!!) of New York State residents say THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT!!!! And 53% say "they should not be allowed" to build the Mosque. NOT BE ALLOWED. Not SHOULD move it. Not should VOLUNTARILY move it. SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.

Also, we get "A majority agrees that American freedom of religion gives Muslims the right to build the mosque near the site of the terrorist attack. Republicans disagree 54 - 39 percent."

So a majority of REPUBLICANS do not believe in freedom of religion, at least for this particular religion. like that won't come back to haunt them.

jason, even 35% of your precious, enlightened, morally superior Democrats answered that 'they don't have the right'. I would posit that this is an example of poor wording - 'right' is undefined here. There is moral right, and constitutional right. And I doubt that most pollees were parsing that distinction, and were referring to the moral right - as in 'it's not the right thing to do'.

^^^No, the question was "that because of American freedom of religion, Muslims have the right to build the mosque near Ground Zero". That is pretty clearly a reference to the first amendment.

"Gingrich: Make Ground Zero A National Battlefield To Stop The Supposed Mosque"

For those who say "no is saying they don't have the RIGHT..." are big fat LIARS. Here is Newt, former second in line for the Presidency, Speaker of the House, and likely 2012 GOP presidential contender saying that the Federal, State AND local governments should do all in their power to FORCE the Mosque to move.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/gingrich_make_ground_zero_a_national_battlefield_t.php

jason10006 Beck, Bush Cheney and Palin changed their opinions, they back the mosque on private property and religious freedom rights. Do you think the left will agree with them ?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100903/wl_nm/us_dutch_wilders

The religion of peace and tolerance.

"jason10006 Beck, Bush Cheney and Palin changed their opinions, they back the mosque on private property and religious freedom rights. Do you think the left will agree with them ?"

You lie, you fricking moron. Again, four posts above Gingrich says that the Federal, state, and local governments should stop the mosque by whatever means necessary.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/gingrich_make_ground_zero_a_national_battlefield_t.php

Bush and Cheney have said NOTHING. Palin remains opposed and claims that if the first amendment does not apply here. She has added nothing new on the topic. since saying that.

As for my point about this being about bias - I point to your above post conflating DIFFERENT Muslims who have nothing to do with THESE Muslims. You once again argue that because SOME Muslim did something bad, that THESE muslims should have to move their building. Again, you paint everyone from a group with the same brush - the very essence of bigotry.

Case in point:

New Republic Editor in Chief Martin Peretz:

"But, frankly, Muslim life is cheap, most notably to Muslims. And among those Muslims led by the Imam Rauf there is hardly one who has raised a fuss about the routine and random bloodshed that defines their brotherhood. So, yes, I wonder whether I need honor these people and pretend that they are worthy of the privileges of the First Amendment which I have in my gut the sense that they will abuse."

Muslims should not have the first amendment.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/77475/the-new-york-times-laments-sadly-wary-misunderstanding-muslim-americans-really-it-sadly-w

i didnt realize petrfitz had a complete mental breakdown (again) after divesting his re holdings which drove him into bizarro world as a right wing pundit. the irony.

My favorite quote is..." Kant is the most evil man in mankind's history" A.R.

I support the mosque which is subject to change and oppose the burqa. Why is it when muslims go to other countries muslims demand to be accommodated but when foreigners go to muslim countries foreigners are demanded to follow the host country dress code? Like someone said earlier in this discussion, when a synagoue can be built in Saudia Arabia they will support the mosque near ground zero. Do you support mosque throughout America or unsupportative of the mosque near ground zero?

http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/muslim-world-at-odds-over-french-burqa-ban/19634944

This endless charade. We don't tell Chinese-Americans that they cannot vote until there is democracy in China. We do not tell Cuban-Americans they have no freedom of speech until Fidel (or Raul) allow it in Cuba. We do not tell Jews they cannot be citizens in the US until Israel stops giving automatic citizenship ONLY to Jews.

We do not base out freedoms and values on what other countries do. Its assanine to somehow say this is how America works. It NEVER has. During the 19th century, most immigrants came from non-democratic countries. We did not tell Russian and Polish immigrants "no religious freedom until the Czar stops the pograms!" We did not tell Italian immigrants "no freedom of religion for you until protestants and Jews have equal rights in Italy!"

You people are just pathetic. People came here seeking freedom, not so we could somehow wave a wand and impose freedom on where they came from.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WlqW6UCeaY

'People came here seeking freedom'

is wearing a burqa a freedom people come to another country for?

jason10006,

I am for the mosque near Ground Zero, as I am for the ruling on burqas in France.

"We do not base out freedoms and values on what other countries do."

Incorrect and the foundation of this nation.

"People came here seeking freedom"

And some came to create terror cells to destroy our infrastructure.

"People came here seeking freedom"

So how does that justify supporting the enemies of freedom?

muslims are the "enemies of freedom" now? this is just pathetic.

Muslims are not the enemy of freedom, but the more we open the doors to populations that don't integrate - which does not mean changing their religion - the more likely American society can be impacted in ways that we don't want.

Back to the Mosque, let's have it moved. This was insensitive and that would have been known by simply asking NYers before they bought the site.

this dude obv knows how to look after property

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/09/14/ground-zero-mosque-imam-a-slumlord/

Now after all the articles against the Mosque, it was only time before the smear campaign against the developer. I can show you a few VERY large developers of other religions, who are absoulutley the worst of the worst slumlords of NYC, and have majorly supported their own Synogoges and Churches financially.

did none of you catch the article in the times about the muslim prayer room that was actually IN one of the towers--there was a muslim worship space IN the world trade center, yet somehow it is now offensive to build a muslim community center nearby?

how about the insensitivity to the muslim victims of the attacks to claim that their religion is somehow tainted by this?

moronic.

deplucha,

your comment about integration could be a direct quote from 19th and early 20th century white protestants talking about catholics and jews from ireland, the mediterranean, and eastern europe. what makes you think muslims aren't integrating? there are 600,000 in the new york city area, and they seem perfectly well integrated to me.

Two are in Congress

Happy Renter, Jason, all your points are desperate.

First of all the American Muslims most certainly have the right to build near ground zero and we should all support that right(freedom of religion is a core principal in this country) That said , just because one has the right to do something does not mean the wise thing is to exercise that right. Several years some nuns wanted to build a convent outside Auschwitz. After much international debate the Catholic church relented and saw the insensitivity. If the Muslim center's goal is outreach then they are failing in that goal.

My points are desperate? That is the best you've got?

The threat to our freedom comes from the foreign owned and run terror advocating news station and its followers, who lately have won a disturbing number of elections and are advocating the destruction of our economy and the end of traditional American freedoms through techniques, including violence, lies and propaganda that they seem to have learned from the totalitarian regimes they so clearly admire.

It isn't Moslems who are advocating ending the First Amendment and eliminating freedom of religion and speech, or repealing the XIV Amendment, or decimating Social Security, or turning the government into a kleptocratic tool of the economic elite at the expense of ordinary Americans and our capitalist system, or using torture as an instrument of state policy, or making avoiding the national obligations called taxes into a honored vocation. Those threats to the American way of life are all spearheaded by the mainly Christian employees of an Australian (and Saudi) owned news station located in Midtown, not downtown. Those, after all, are the people who actually could make us look like Saudi Arabia -- as they are advocating right now.

There is nothing insensitive in Americans seeking to worship in the way their ancestors taught them in their own neighborhood; that is the American way.

The insensitivity in this incident is that outside agitators, enemies of all that is great in the American heritage, continue to wrap themselves in American flags, maintain their headquarters in a city and country that stand for everything they oppose, and have the Orwellian nerve to call their agenda and lies "fair and balanced."

Yea, fox-news is silly, but msnbc airs has nazis and anti-semites on , so not sure which is worse?

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://raymondpronk.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/churchill_hitler_unnecessary_war.jpg&imgrefurl=http://raymondpronk.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/patrick-j-buchanan-churchill-hitler-and-the-unnecessary-war-videos/&usg=__RGcgV6F4FdxSONJFWxIz4W1TAO4=&h=595&w=352&sz=34&hl=en&start=0&sig2=RjrS54Y8ZZA95_1zNcUovw&zoom=1&tbnid=7afAbsHesilfPM:&tbnh=130&tbnw=83&ei=1cmSTOLsFsPflgeX84SqCg&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpat%2Bbuchanan%2Bthe%2Bunecessary%2Bwary%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D577%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=184&oei=1cmSTOLsFsPflgeX84SqCg&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0&tx=53&ty=49

Pat Buchanan (and Scarborough and a few others) sort of obliterate the notion that MSNBC is all liberal, all the time. Ditto for Erick Erickson et all on CNN. Both networks always cover elections with painfully balanced left-right "experts." Fox is unabashedly all right, all the time.

lol! a Nazi sympathizer sure obliterates that notion!

"just because one has the right to do something does not mean the wise thing is to exercise that right."

this is clearly a true statement. but it has absolutely nothing to do with this situation. what is the argument that it isn't 'wise' to build here? the only one i can think of is that an unpopular minority group should bow to racism and religious bigotry.

say it financeguy--and you say it well

but dont forget the koch's and their lovely philanthropy

yeah...pat buchanan is just another msnbc lefty

greta article in nyer a few months back where interviews with voracious, demonstrating tea-partiers couldn't isentify who basic information: totally basic stuff about the US like geography, political structures, who their congressmen are, tax rates, average US incomes....astounding the shlt these people angrily espouse with little or no knowledge of anything, incl hyow anything they love or hate affects them

teapartiers are so well propagandized by the like of fox and the koch's--pathetic lemmings

"lol! a Nazi sympathizer sure obliterates that notion!"

"yeah...pat buchanan is just another msnbc lefty"

Name one issue where Pat Buchannan agrees with Nancy Pelsosi but disagrees with Sarah Palin or Newt Gingrich. Or any of the Tea Party candidates. One issue facing Congress or the President now.

Just one.

Now, if you can think of one, I will name 50 others where is on the Tea Party side.

I will be waiting here a VERY long time.

Pat Buchanan is far-far right.

...As was Hitler, I might ad.

Just so you know jason, NAZI stands for the national SOCIALIST workers party. Communism and nazism are opposite sides of the same coin. Both big powerful centralized governments with NO individual rights and love for state run health care. The exact opposite of free market capitalism.

who cares if buchanan is right or left. the point is he's a Nazi sympathizing nut job and a racist.

I know what the acronym was, juliag. In practice, however, as every historian will tell you, Nazis were a form of fascists - thus Hitler's entente with Mussolini and Franco, and his installations of fascist puppett dictators in every country he conquered. The Nazis outlawed the socialist and communist parties everywhere they went, Hitler spoke and wrote extensively about how Marxism and Bolshevism and Socialism were Jewish plots.

He allied him self with the church and (non-Jewish) big business leaders.

He was admired by fringe elements of the conservative parties (and reactionaries and monarchists) everywhere in the Western World. Conversely, he was despised by most of the left-leaning parties.

There was nothing socialist about him but the name of the party.

In short, it was double-speak to call his party "socialist." Sort of like Fox being "fair and balanced."

And you will recall, the original Boston Tea Party was a protest against the British East India Company. You know, a major multi-national corporation. Yet the modern Tea Party is quite the opposite.

I can call myself a conservative and you a communist, but that does not make it so.

jason call them whatever you want: but they were a big centralized powerful government with NO individual rights , a lover of state controled health care, confiscator of guns(1939) and demonizer and controller big business. GEE, that sort of sounds like this regime( obama and friends)

comparing the united states government and nazi germany demonstrates your complete lack of intellect.

but...that's hardly new news, right.

julia...not only the ugly one but the stupid one.

"I know what the acronym was, juliag." NAZI--- NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMAN WORKER'S PARTY jason They sold it on socialism. They marketed their product on socialism and workers jason.... That's how the dictators do it. Theer is no socialism jason, it's just dictators controlling your life.

hitler marketed himself and the nazis as the savior of ethnic germans. he promised to rid the country of bolsheviks, jews, gypsies and to expand germany to include other ethnic germans in neighboring countries.

julia, you really are ignorant and disgusting.

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id10.html

jason10006 Notice the summary jason.... hitler ran germany like a COLLECTIVIST ECONOMY like the SOVIET UNION....

jason10000... Some weekend reading for you...http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id9.html

No comment from the dark grey man who lives inside a dark grey cave where the light has to be shoved into his lifehttp://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id9.html

Hitler was left wing. Are some people really so stupid as to know this.

*not know this

ah don't tell me, US history 101. HAHAHAHAHA, if they keep telling you what to believe you will think its the truth.

julia the ugly stupid one...tell me that you're between 12 and 15 yrs old ...that would be a reasonable excuse for your complete lack of knowledge.

No comment from the dark grey man who lives inside a dark grey cave where the light has to be shoved into his lifehttp://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id9.html

so now...you're just going to repeat yourself?

the fundamental issue is you and others that foolishly compare nazi germany to the united states.

too bad you can't go experience the 3rd reich for yourself and discover the difference.

The left thinks hitler was right wing.. They are always wrong!!!!!

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id9.html

you just don't get it. the problem with hitler was not his wing. and the problem remains when you and others compare nazi germany to the united states.

This has been a hot topic in the U.K. Almost everybody I've spoken to there during the past month, wanted to ask about what Manhattan residents think about it.

England has a problem with home-grown terrorists. I was told many times that they believe "We let too many of them in to live here." They think the U.S. is at that tipping point now.

Scotland is still reeling with the shame of releasing the Pan Am bomber.

I have a problem with the Imam, and the source of the money.

If you're worried about recruiting, that already happens. It may happen at that mosque, no matter how far from Ground Zero it is built.

Julialg you ignorant idiot, Hitler wasn't left wing or right wing. Hitler was a mass murderer who wanted to cleanse Germany of anyone who wasn't "pure". There's no politics for mass murder, institutional racism, ethnic cleansing, or the final solution being carried out. Moron.
Maybe you ought to hide out in Christine ODonnell's house.

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id9.html

urnfa... Read and educate yourself... Don't diminish your intellect with name calling and insults.

How many times have you posted the same drivel?

So your position is that what, Nancy Pelosi is similar to Hitler? Or on the other side Sarah Palin?

No... jason10006 was saying the nazis were right and the soviets left... I was just correcting him.

Your preference is which?

free market capitalism.... milton friedman and ayn rand style

No one who is alive?

Your preference is which? urnfa

No answer, typical!!!

Here's an answer.

Comparing the united states to Nazi Germany is disgusting, ignorant and typical of your blatant sloganeering and hyperbole.

julialg, columbiacounty is right.

And you remind me of a college junior, at the height of your absolute ideaology, wearing your blue blazer and striped tie, or your hipster clothing and carrying a can of gasoline. No practicality, no real life experience. No ability to distinguish idealogy from the real world. Confused about how Naziism went wrong... if they just didn't kill the Jews, they would have been perfect, right?

Your preference is which? urnfa

My preference is the United States of America. Not the Nazi regime, which seems to be your focal point.

My preference is free market capitalism, American style before the socialist/welfare state took over.

"My preference is free market capitalism, American style before the socialist/welfare state took over."

Where does Hitler fit in to your views julialg?