anti-semitic buildings

What advantage would there be in knowing this? Would this be a reason to purchase? Just curious...

And of course it's illegal.

Riversider - of course it's illegal, and still, of course those buildings exist (and discriminate against other ethnic groups as well).

what other ethnic groups? I doubt any others could afford it

Might be easier in a coop , as long as they hide behind "other reasons" when turning down the applicant.
Agreed it probably does, not likely in a condo, probably smallish coops. Nice way for a broker to lose a license if caught cooperating.

Stick_man , Do you consider yourself racist?

sick-man is obviously a racist, and an ignorant one at that. after all, he can't conceive that there are affluent african-americans, hispanics, asians as well as jews living in new york.

that tired old race card again? I'm just asking a damn question

and you're a damned idiot!!

stick man should light himself up--kind of a burning cross...no?

There've been articles in New York Magazine about it. Check Google Books.

In Columbia's old-RE-brochure collection, there's some coded language. See http://nyre.cul.columbia.edu/projects/view/17748#images, where whoever originally collected the brochures wrote "Restricted House" on the brochure for 520 E. 86th.

On the UWS, some buildings supposedly discourage the Orthodox for fear of having to set up Shabbos elevators.

there was a time where some coops in NY discriminated against jews, muslims, italians, irish, people of color, non-marrieds, hollywood types, catholics, gays among others considered undesirable by often-wasp elite--generally, these days, the concerns of coops are legitimate and consider applicants without consideration of ethnicity

bigots still remain, hopefully with increasing rarity, on coop boards and throughout our society---incl here at streeteasy--take stick man for example--tho he's not the only one

check the mosque thread!!

THis building may be;
622 Third Ave
http://www.iran-un.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=60&Itemid=87

yeah, well I wouldn't want to live in a building where the elevators stopped on every floor all weekend.

truth - So Iran and Israel are only blocks apart!!

Actually I was shocked to find an address for Iran.
I mean, since the american embassy thingy during the revolution, it became clear they don't understand the concept of global embassy protocol.

truth - but they can so easily get their "independent" protesters to scream in front of the Israeli consulate. Very convenient.

I read an article a year or so ago about a building going up that would be the new embassy for Iran. Its been done very hush hush though.

My ex was Iranian and when he was planning a trip back to Iran (after fleeing the cournty in 83 he had to do all his paperwork thru the Pakistani embassy because there was no Iranian embassy here...this was in 2007).

There still is no Iranian embassy OR consulate in the US. The address in NY is for the Iranian Mission to the UN. (Like Cuba)

A few months ago I read an article i think it was in the NYPost, about a wealthy jewish business man wanting to purchase a coop in a fifth avenue building and was denied......!

There is no doubt in my mind that bigotry and racism is alive and well in New York City....just hidden from plain site....such as the above incident where the guy was being denied for his religious beliefs and the reasons given were denied for reasons we can't disclose!

betcha there were jews on the board of the building where the jewish guy was denied

anti-semitism in ny doesnt fly so good

Wbottom

There were "NO JEWS" living in that building: In fact I will try to get a hold of the article and the address of the particular coop building!

HERE WE GO:

The address is "820 Fifth Avenue"

Here is the Link to article: http://therealdeal.com/newyork/articles/breaking-the-co-op-barrier

Guess we know where stick man is moving to.

I thought Stick-Man was trying to figure out which buildings still have dated, racist views, not trying to figure out which racist building to move into?

you are a dope fayek

who knows what your agenda is, but your article says nothing about whether any jews live in that building

did you read the article you moron?

i know specifically of 3 jewish owners in that building (there are likely more)

and it's right next door to one of the most

important synagogues in ny

I read the article, and it mentioned that many coops allegedly have CEILINGS on the number of people from certain groups. Meaning three Jews could be the limit. Apparently you did not read the article.

i did read the article--and nowhere did it say anything remotely like that there were "NO Jews" in the building as alleged by dope fayek

and, like i said, there are a number of jewish families in the building

your claim that the article mentions CEILINGS apparently refers to citation of this event in 1986, 25 years ago:

"In 1986, agent Edith Salton was fired from Halstead Property after being quoted in the New York Times about co-op boards that bar or limit the number of Jewish residents. Salton, who is now an agent at the Corcoran Group, did not respond to requests for comment."

seems like youre a dope with an agends too

Wbottom

the article is a clear testimony that there is ongoing discrimination in nyc - I have read the article a "FEW" times and it proves my point precisely.

i see, yours is now a general point and youve ditched your invented quote from the article

youre a waste of time, dope

For sure, back in the days, there were blds & employers who were anti semites. For ex, even in the 1960s, a Jew would not be hired by AT&T. Many hospitals we see today, like Mount Sinai & Beth Israel, were created because Jewish doctors would not be hired by hospitals like Presbyterian (now Columbia Presbyterian), so Jews started their own hospitals.
So, yes, it's true many co-ops were anti-semitic. But, Thank Gd, not today, bubie!

There are still many Westchester country clubs(golf courses) that won't admit Jews.

is many more than five? more than ten? how many can you name?

ANd my mom pretended she wasn't jewish when IBM was anti semetic in the 60s. Who cares.
THis is NY, it's cooler to have a variety of people in your building rather than 1 sole group.

Any place that won't admit jews is their loss. Can we put away ther violins and more importantly, stop feeding this silly thread?

Goldman Sachs was apparently created because he couldn't work for the white shoe firms. I think you had the same with law firms as well.

River, I was gonna mention the country clubs.

truth, it's not silly that your mom had to hide her jewishness. That ain't silly. It really happened. Yes, it's different now, but let's not forget the realities of the past. I was in Vienna this summer, loved it, wonderful city, but, the reality for Jews, pre-WWII, was very real. Let us not forget, but let us move forward as well.

Hi somewhere,
yup, that's true re: GS & white shoe firms. I'm neither ashamed nor scared to discuss these facts AND I also celebrate that today, people are, for the most part, not limited by such prejudice. Can I geta Hallelujah?!?
Freedom is precious: love it, guard it, protect it, defend it.

Dwell:

Your analysis is "Right On The Money". I am a Great Fan of Saying it like it is.

Thanks Fayek!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Never said what my mom did was silly, feeding this thread is.
Im all for moving forward as well.

truth,
"Never said what my mom did was silly". That's true. However, "feeding" this thread is not silly. We're discussing. Interesting how this seems to hit an uncomfortable nerve. But, please know I wish you you all the best.

The beauty about being a Jew is that generally people can't tell you're a Jew, well, unless you're wearing that little hat. Thus, discrimination should be a non-issue. Being black, or asian, on the other hand, well, is a lot tougher.

Btw, it's funny, because a lot of conversations go like this:

A: Hey, where are you from.
Me: Hmm, California.
A: No, I mean where were you from before that.
Me: Hmm, Cali born and raised.
A: I mean where are you REALLY from.
Me: O#$(**@

"Interesting how this seems to hit an uncomfortable nerve"
Hardly,and NYC is the last place I worry about discrimination against jews.

THough a poster brought up an interesting point about shabbos elevators. I wouldnt want to live in a building with shabbos elevators.
And come to think of it, some points on jewish orthodoxy do strike a nerve with me,and don't mistake for self hating, I find shabbos elevators particularly hypocritcal, and loophole'ish, and downright silly. Like passover cakes that taste like cake....then just eat cake! Isn't the purpose to "suffer" from not eating bread and not the "technicality" of not eating bread.

i was the poster that mentioned how I would NOT want to live in a building with a shabbos elevator. Is that something that a broker would tell a person looking at an apt? This atheist does not want her life inconvenienced by others' religious followings.

alphataru: The Beauty about Being a Jew, is Being Proud to Be A Jew. I Suerly am Proud of my jewishness, And am not afraid to look jewish. I don't expect anybody to bend over backwards, or for that matter being inconvenienced due to my religious beliefs, yet I cherish this country for all its Freedoms and enjoy living in NYC.....except for the few instances of discrimination mentioned above....NYC is still by far the greatest city in the world!

There are very likely coops where it will be very tough to qualify if you are Jewish.

There are very likely coops where it will be very tough to qualify if you are not Jewish.

NEWSFLASH: Racism still lives.

Truthskr10, it is simply not true that IBM discriminated against Jews in the 60's, at least not in New York City. There was one systems software development center of over 300 employees in midtown that employed a high percentage of Jews, including a large handful of very observant Jews.

Employing people of a race, religion or sex doesn't absolve one from discrimination gaongaon. At a previous job on wall street I saw first hand how Italians and Irish were welcome in the back office, Blacks in data entry/Messengenger areas, Jews as stock brokers and Wasps as traders and upper management. Oh and religious jews were ok as programmers.

Well there weren't any Jewish CEO's at IBM, but definitely upper level management, within the jurisdiction of a development center. Women were also treated very well and able to advance up the managerial ladder back then (within probably the same limits as Jews). Second or third line managaers..

my main point: fayek is full of shlt..he quoted an article where nothing remotely like he claimed apopeared in the article--and where, in additon, his claim was simply wrong
secondary point: jason is full of shlt in this case also as he stretched like a mofo to interpret the article to be in support of fayek's garbage

fact: there are few if any coops in 2010 in ny that would turn down a buyer, who was well qualified on other fronts, based on religion or race

fact: there are clubs in nyc and ny metro area (incl hamptons) that have a legacy of anti-semitism and are still populated mostly by christians, where it would be more challengin for a jew to join. and there are clubs that have a legacy of excluding non-jews. case can be made these clubs were set up so there would be a place for jews. case can be made that some jews dont like associating with christians

fact: racism, especialy anti-semitisn has declined significantly in nyc over the last few decades, to the extent that it is rarely a factor in professional and social circumstances

my fact: this is a good thing and a good reason for all of us to enjoy living in nyc

my hope: discrimination of all varieties continues to decline here in nyc and elsewhere

gaongaon
"it is simply not true that IBM discriminated against Jews in the 60's, at least not in New York City."

As company policy Im sure not, but within the company there was a definite bias, and knowledge of your background (being jewish) would absolutely stifle advancement. My mom, a key punch operator at the time (I assume from key punch cards I used to play with as a 3 year old kid) hardly had bold ambitions of being CEO, but the prejudice was evident enough that evey jew she knew there kept it to themselves.
ANd this was very much NYC.

And on your second point, I have no doubt IBM or any company would hire people who were martian and had 3 legs if they could do a specialized job (like software development). 300 in a company that likely had 100,000 employees by this time is not a lot. Of course they had more jews working there at the time as like my mother, they were silent about being so.

For time frame I'm talking mid to late sixtees. I vaguely recall a story about a big party after IBM achieving a network of computers between four cities playing trhe card game Bridge.

"dwell Hi somewhere, yup, that's true re: GS & white shoe firms."

So IGNORANT. Goldman was NOTORIOUSLY jew-friendly, and Morgan Stanley and JP Morgan NOT well into the 70s. Morgan Stanley did not have its first Jewish partner until like 1973 (really!).

For proof of that, see the third paragraph of http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/16/coming-out-of-wall-streets-closet/

Conversely, Goldman, Lehman, Bear, Warburg and others were started and largely run by Jews precisely because other firms discriminated against them in hiring and/or promotions. Its absurd, frankly, to claim that a firm called GOLDMAN SACHS was ever anti-Semitic!

WTF? Goldman Sachs was started by an immigrant Jewish retailer. Morgan Stanley was a different matter.
But If you know the history of the Jewish started investment banks they did discriminate against non-German Jews, who were not as good as the German ones. Morgan Stanley was born out of J.P. Morgan, so very different culture.

If you read the history of Bear Stearns you find they make a big deal that Ace was a Polish Jew, which was unuusal at the time in a Wall Street firm.

LOL, A lack of reading comprehension is creating a mountain out of a no hill.

from SWE
>Goldman Sachs was apparently created because he couldn't work for the white shoe firms.

from Dwell
>yup, that's true re: GS & white shoe firms

from Jason {who somehow got it twisted}
>So IGNORANT. Goldman was NOTORIOUSLY jew-friendly, and Morgan Stanley and JP Morgan NOT well into the 70s. Morgan Stanley did not have its first Jewish partner until like 1973 (really!).

>Conversely, Goldman, Lehman, Bear, Warburg and others were started and largely run by Jews precisely because other firms discriminated against them in hiring and/or promotions. Its absurd, frankly, to claim that a firm called GOLDMAN SACHS was ever anti-Semitic!

jason's reading proves weak again

Well guess I blew that one!

dwell: Hallelujah! Vienna is beautiful.
But there are still Jew-haters there. Still here in Manhattan, too.

My building has only one Jew on the board. She's dumber than dirt.
They put up a menorah in the lobby in December. They don't even know how to light it in proper order.
There aren't many other Jewish unit owners in my building.

The board hates me because I'm smart and ask questions about how they spend the condo's money and operate the building. The super hates me because I'm Jewish. I found "Die Jew Bith"(sic), spray-painted in red, on front of my apartment door,one day 5 years ago. The super erased the security tapes for that day. The board was O.K. with him doing that.

In a doorman building, either the super did it, or he sent somebody to do it.

> Well guess I blew that one!

Happens to all of us.....

sounds like an awful place to live--

nazi super...in cahoots with the board...scary

Wbottom

to set the record straight: fayek is a she not a he.

the article I posted above is extremely pertinent and proves the point that anti semitic coop buildings still exists today, bringing a real life example of a jewish business man wanting to purchase and being denied due to his jewish religion: if anyone can't read it's you, and calling me all kind of horrible names only proves who you are: If you have an opposing view point please back it up with facts without calling other people negative four letter words.

Let's be equitable in our outrage here. I am going to go out on a limb and say that buildings that are trying to keep Jewish people out are the exception by far as opposed to keepiong out or limiting the number black or hispanic owners.

Do you think there is any chance that there are a number of Coops in NYC that are majority Jewish where it may be more difficult to get in if you are not Jewish? Or even difficult-er if you are perhaps Hispanic or black? I've heard a lot of stories to this effect, especially in Riverdale.

I haven't done a lot of research because I prefer to rent. However, in the anecdotal evidence I have heard, being Jewish is generally not a big obstacle to people looking to buy into a coop in NYC. And probably more often than not, if it makes any difference either way, it would lean more toward being an asset as opposed to a hindrance.

don't kid yourself oohah, for old society that lives on park Avenue or the Upper East Side, the world hasn't changed all that much.

Riversider, I don't think I am kidding myself. I am not denying discrimination against Jewish people. I think that it is probably being overstated in this thread. In fact, I know of quite a few Jewish people living the good life on the Upper East Side exactly in the neighborhood you described.

I have heard of Coop discrimination in Riverdale against people who were not Jewish, haven't you?

1) Scenario: Jewish, Black, Hispanic married couples all apply to gain entry into a building(s). All things are equal financially, etc. Assuming the board has some discriminatory policy, my opinion the Black or Hispanic people will generally face more challenges getting into a building.

Why? More negative stereotypes.

2) I'd much rather be a Jewish couple looking for housing in an exclusive neighborhood in NYC than in the Bible Belt. Ditto that for Black or Hispanic couple.

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Again, I am not saying there is no discrimination against Jewish people looking for housing in NYC, I just think it is not that widespread anymore. Jewish people are a very large, influential, and pretty well respected community in New York City.

oohah....just out of curiosity what do you consider the states/areas that make up the "Bible Belt" and why do you assume it would be more difficult to find housing for a Jewish couple in the "Bible Belt" than in NYC? Board approval is generally not a problem in the South....

you really are a moron fayek--all can read the article for themselves and see easily that your quote from the article was invented, and that your take on the theme of the article is dumb

but please tell us how it is to "look jewish" as you claim you are so proud and unafraid to look

fayek?

Wbottom: My favorite thing to do in my building, is to bring my black friends over to visit. The super hates black people. There are no black owners or renters in the building.

One day as we came into the lobby, we saw one of the board-members. She rushed into the elevator, but we made it in before the door closed. She gripped her handbag close to her body with two hands.
My friends are Broadway actors. They dress nicely, and don't look the least bit threatening. But--they are black. That was enough to cause her to be alarmed by their presence in the building.

I try to invite them over as often as possible.

Could the board member have actually been ok with your black friends, but they were concerned about you?

For how many years does a smart woman with the means to "help" others on streeteasy live in a building where no one likes her and the super vandalises her apartment?