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rent stabilized apt for elderly mom on west side

Started by h_g
almost 15 years ago
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My mom is currently in an apt in inwood that she rented at the height of the market. Her landlord refuses to negotiate now that her lease is up even though they are offering apartments in her building for much less money. I want to find a rent stabilized apartment for her somewhere safe on the west side (west inwood is fine but preferably somewhere closer to me and my wife in tribeca). Does anyone have any suggestions? Is there a broker or mgmt co. that anyone could recommend to help? Thanks! Gabe
Response by alanhart
almost 15 years ago
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It would be helpful if you give budget and basic requirements ... for example, are stairs out of the question? Would she be comfortable in neighborhoods more "marginal" than Inwood? How small a place can she be happy in (studio? 1 BR?). Is she a senior citizen? Working or retired?

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Response by h_g
almost 15 years ago
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Sure, no problem. She has COPD so must be first floor or elevator. Neither she nor I would be comfortable in a neighborhood more marginal than Inwood. She has her heart set on a one bedroom, but an alcove studio could work if the neighborhood/building/price were good enough. She is 62 but on disability and retired. Right now her rent (she has SCRIE) is $1623/mo. We are looking for something in $1400-or-less-per-month range, the further downtown the better. Any help is most appreciated.

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Response by notadmin
almost 15 years ago
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> even though they are offering apartments in her building for much less money

so why not applying for those other apartments with lower rent on the same building?

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Response by julia
almost 15 years ago
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Call 311 they could direct you to a website where a list of "senior" housing is.

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Response by Dahlia26
almost 15 years ago
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forget the senior housing route - the waitlists are years - i have my father -in-law on all of them

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Response by notadmin
almost 15 years ago
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> "senior" housing is.

isn't that kind of nursing homes?

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Response by alanhart
almost 15 years ago
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No, more like dorm rooms for superseniors.

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Response by notadmin
almost 15 years ago
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> forget the senior housing route - the waitlists are years - i have my father -in-law on all of them

so we should be thinking in applying by the time we reach 45?

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Response by h_g
almost 15 years ago
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can't apply in her building as no one bedrooms are currently available - but one rented in July for $1375, so I feel like I am getting ripped off if she pays $1623

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Response by alanhart
almost 15 years ago
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Have her try her hand at this http://www.nyc.gov/html/hpd/downloads/pdf/Mitchell-lama-coop-apts.pdf ... but note that it's a lottery for a waitlist, and doesn't specify (at this point) just where the building is. And heed the deadline.

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Response by notadmin
almost 15 years ago
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> can't apply in her building as no one bedrooms are currently available - but one rented in July for $1375, so I feel like I am getting ripped off if she pays $1623

well... if there are studios available move her there. not that bad for 1 person and for sure i'll be cheaper.

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Response by alanhart
almost 15 years ago
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Also, if there are cheaper apartments in her building, there are cheaper apartments in nearby buildings. She can move by bucket brigade.

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Response by notadmin
almost 15 years ago
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well, the cheapest alternative would be for her to move with you. that will give you 100% savings.

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Response by h_g
almost 15 years ago
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@notadmin haha - that is NOT an option

@alanhart good suggestion thank you

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Response by notadmin
almost 15 years ago
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> notadmin haha - that is NOT an option

lol i know it's not that fashionable, but i'm hearing more people doing it. the old ladies do the childcare, cleaning and cooking. seems to work for them. agree with alanhart. also unrooting an elderly is not always a smooth process. better if she keeps on being in the neighborhood she's used to.

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Response by rb345
almost 15 years ago
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h-g:

1. is her apartment under rent-stabilization
2. SCRIE is portable but only re entitlement, not benefit
3. if your mother starts a new lease, her new rent becomes her base for SCRIE
4. as to cheap rent-stabilized apartments:
A. you are more likely to find a unicorn than the apartment you seek
B. your mother's lack of income could also be a problem
C. her best bet seems to be to re-rent where she it

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Response by chelapt
almost 15 years ago
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First of all...your mom is not elderly at 62......she is still young but her issue is her disability. I think you could probably find alcove studios in prime manhattan areas for 1800(im guessing)....why not go visit a broker to get a sense as to what is available in what areas and at what price......and then look on your own in those areas so you dont have to pay commission......Also, what about brooklyn heights....its probably closer to tribeca than inwood....or even hoboken......

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Response by notadmin
almost 15 years ago
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B. your mother's lack of income could also be a problem

but she receives disability and it sounds like h-g is paying the rent. i'd bet many landlords would accept him as a guarantor.

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Response by rb345
almost 15 years ago
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There are very few if any cheap rent-stabilized apartments available in desirable
Manhattan neighbirhoods anymore except for walk-up buildings, and those that do
become available are probably rented privatelyas favors to people whose good will
an owner wants. e.g., his banker's relatives.

Mother will almost certainly need an elevator building too, which is more expensive.
Her building sounds like it migth be rent-stabilized, in which event she is entitled
to a renewal lease as a matter of law, see Rent Stabilization Code section 2524.

If she is stabilized, her lease renews automatically by operation of law even if her
landlord refuses to extend it or to sign a renewal lease.

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Response by mdasch
almost 15 years ago
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Holy crap. 62 is considered elderly?

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Response by buyer11
almost 15 years ago
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Member since: Feb 2010

Look into hamilton house or hargrove all on uws in the 70's senior housing

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Response by rosina
almost 15 years ago
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Member since: May 2009

Oh no...please please don't let 62 be classified as elderly!

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Response by fieldschester
about 12 years ago
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>Holy crap. 62 is considered elderly?

Yes: " elderly—defined by HPD as residents who are 62 and older" http://gothamist.com/2013/10/10/sequestration_might_force_elderly_d.php

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Response by NativeRestless
about 12 years ago
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Member since: Jul 2011

If she is low income, which if she gets SCRIE I assume she is, you can look at the 202 program which provides lower cost housing for seniors, sometimes with services on the premises. The buildings are operated by non-profit organizations (Met Council has many) so they are fairly well maintained and have elevators.

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