Another Murder in Long Island City

Another person named Steve charged with murder:

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/29/2016700/bicyclist-dies-in-monroe-hit-and.html

Steve, laughing at murder? New low, my friend.

And the policeman's union allowed their members to be sent in to Long Island City to hunt? Weak union; sad; callous disregard for its rank & file.

And why are there no hospitals in Queens? You'd think the CDC would at least open a Poison Center in Long Island City.

?? I don't get any of you guys' humor or what you are all talking about 1/2 the time.
But as for hospitals in Queens: NYHosp Queens, Jamaica Hosp. Elmhurst Hosp. Some smaller ones. And they're really big. Frankly, I'd rather risk death and be driven to Manh if I needed to be hospitalized, but thse are large substantial medical centers.

39yo man shot dead

HAHAHAHA!

WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU, YOU SICK F*CK

posters making jokes about this..... sick...

posters with multiple identities....sicker.

not really cc. that's some f*cked up sh*t right there.

can we assume that you are now LucilleIsDrunK?

you may

Oh, poor people - don't know the difference between laughing at the Queensbridge Houses being in Astoria, and laughing at what happens there.

Tisk, tisk, tisk.

steve, thanks for your willingness to further such a very important discourse on nonsense while lowering yourself to finding humor in the story of an innocent person's death.

Another Steve arrested for murder ... over an Xbox and an iPod: http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2011/jan/29/xbox-ipod-fight-may-be-behind-shooting/

How do you know they were innocent?

It's only a matter of time until "stevejhx" will join the greyed-out by default crowd.

Really - what's wrong with you steve?

Are people just figuring out now that steve is a nasty person who lives in his own world of lunacy?

Steve, while I agree that LIC is way overpriced, you are way out of line here and portait yourself as a downright asshole for laughing at someone's death wherever that happened...What for? To state your opinion about LIC that we already know? Well! Next time, the person being murdered could be a member of your family and that could happen in your neighborhood!

Karma is a bitch!

Another Steven charged with murder: http://www.timesdaily.com/article/20110130/NEWS/110129717/1011/NEWS?Title=Couple-face-trial-in-slaying-of-daughter-in-law

You people are so full of shit and sanctimonious in your scathing criticism of Steve.

If you had taken 3 seconds to read the short article he linked to, you'd see that he was laughing only at the "read it in black and white" geographical identification of Queensbridge Houses: Long Island City, not Astoria (as LICcomm snivelingly maintains).

The murder is entirely incidental to his HAHAs ... and you know it.

stevejhx. and alanhart. and anyone else, for that matter.

as someone whose family was tragically and forever shattered by such a shooting death, i can say with all assurance garnered through terrible personal experience that there is nothing 'funny' about this type of situation, whether it be the people involved, the circumstance, the location, nor any other aspect you wish to offer a pithy observation on.

nothing.

funny.

period.

get over yourself.

No, matsonjones, there's nothing funny about the situation. The identification of the building is funny. And if it's not, it has nothing to do with the people involved, the circumstances, your family or your feelings. No more than the season involved does. Altogether independent.

You are full of shit on so many other levels alanhart. Are you proud that the only thing you add to this board are countless threads bashing LIC?Not to mention the unrelenting pining for steve's affection. Comical.

people are feeling restless. is there a full moon?

jm, you show an interesting tendency to support LICC. is it just for old times sake? or are you pining for his affection?

i never sensed ah's need to have steve's affection. maybe i'm just dense, but after years on this board i just don't see it (although they both do hate licc, but i don't think that's really so uncommon).

having said that, this wasn't presented well.

never set foot in lic. no interest in the place. but i do know 99% of the lic bashing on here is not funny

Long Island City is in negotiations to make a big CPM buy on BrickUnderground.com. Please stop all criticisms of Long Island City.

"Altogether independent."

So the subject of the thread is "murder" and the first post ends in "HAHAHAHA!" Altogther independent. Right... Why do you defend this exactly?

buyerbuyer, 99% of the lic bashing is due to licc's bashing of other people over the last however many years. really.

i'm not saying it's right, but i've found it's very easy to pile on. i can't think of another instance (oh, yes i can, steve's midtown apartment, maybe my PCV apartment) where people are so polarized.

and the poetry is great.

buyerbuyer, people who bash others constantly should expect to be bashed. That's what distinguishes a New Yorker from Sarah Palin.

remember that buyerbuyer is the troll.

that was so sadly not clever.

I have no thoughts on LIC, I have never been there. I find it funny that alanhart spends 99% of his time on this board talking about a neighborhood he doesn't like and then defending steve for bonehead behavior. What % of Alan posts are about LIC?

Countershilling humors has always been great fun

I might wax poetic, but I'm a bit tired

And I've had family members die of cancer...discussion of the serious toxins pervading LIC has been offensive to me...clean that shit up

THE troll or just the troll?

JM, so let's get this straight, because your percentages seem off to me. you really think AH spends 99% of his time on LIC?

and how often has he "defended" steve? i think the post was poorly presented, very, but i don't think steve was attempting to make fun of the recently deceased. i think he was pointing out that the address, which LICC strenuously insisted was not in LIC, was listed as LIC.

was it very poorly presented? yes. could it make a point? yes.

i find that you go out of your way to support licc. why, i have no idea.

> i think the post was poorly presented, very, but

Why do you write like that? Can't you write a clear sentence and take a clear position?

>was it very poorly presented? yes. could it make a point? yes.

Another passive aggressive sentence. Just say what you want to say.

>i find that you go out of your way to support licc. why, i have no idea.

You need an editor.

alan, perhaps someone whose attempt at humor could under ANY circumstances be interperted as laughing at someone's recent violent death should get out of the joking business? perhaps.

so, the streeteasy council of elders is just moving right along? nothing to see here? huh. remind me again the position of all you enlightened superior non racists on building a mosque at the site where pieces of crashing plane landed, on the day muslim terrorists incinerated 3000 innocent people. YOU who are rationalizing and defending this post, instead of letting it die the dignified death of a mistake of judgement, are so unbelievably full of shit. even steve, the proud and admirable asshole who never stands down from a fight, is not defending it. he knows it was wrong.

are you a human being first, or a real estate bear? things to ponder

And what are you Lucille?

what are you cc, exactly

I am a human being. As I am sure ah is.

in that case you are both absolutely blinded by your strange alliances on this board of anonymous posters

Oh Lucille you sanctimonious piece of shit. Its all very funny to you until its not. Stay in jersey...you belong there.

there is that word again. sanctimonious. i don't think this word means what you think it means.

>Oh Lucille you sanctimonious piece of shit.

Jane you ignorant slut!

You left out piece of shit. Is that ambiguous?

cc......what's wrong?

"Jane you ignorant slut!"

this is why i'll always stick up for your crazy ass. that's exactly what i thought!

>Stay in jersey...you belong there.

Where exactly is Columbia County? Is that the upstate county, sufficiently far from NYC, or is that some Columbia University club, or what?

>this is why i'll always stick up for your crazy ass. that's exactly what i thought!

I'm sorry, but unlike Wbottom/midtownereast, I'm not focused on my ass or bottom.

" Its all very funny to you until its not"

what an erudite and truly discerning comment on the human condition. cc, you continue to amaze

Actually Lucy steve seems to have evolved a new approach he's experimenting with...seems he is now quite busy with other elements of his life, tosses the occasional piece of carrion onto the savanna for us to scrap over..scuse me for a moment while I go floss

Btw how to turn off the bloody auto spell on the iPad?...renders my shit unintellible...a blessing?

Yes, what we need is Wbottom's unintellible shit.

aboutready, alan and steve all love telling lies about me.

For the record, I have never initiated any criticism of anyone else's neighborhood, or any personal attack on anyone on this board.

In addition, I never "strenuously insisted" that the Queensbridge Houses are not in LIC. I said that the building that was having the condo auctions is in what is considered Astoria, and that the area that most people here consider when discussing LIC is the area south of the Queensboro Bridge and west of Jackson Avenue.

steve, alanhart and aboutready can keep spewing their lies and disgusting comments and remain unaware that most of the people reading these discussions consider them to be vile and jokers.

steve puts "Another Murder" in the title of this thread, writes details of the shooting victim, ends his post with HAHAHA, and alan and aboutready come to this thread to defend him.

I think that speaks for itself.

"steve, alanhart and aboutready can keep spewing their lies and disgusting comments and remain unaware that most of the people reading these discussions consider them to be vile and jokers. "

Huh! No i don't... While i strongly disagree with Steve's attitude on this very post i think you are the despicable disgusting one on this board who keep shilling your own neighborhood and try to justify your bad investment ala steveF. You behave like a top 1% earner and despise the Working class & and Middle class to which you belong. You blame this whole crisis on the unions and choose to side with Bankers & outrageous bonuses. I told you before, your kind make me want to vomit!

Long Island City (often referred to as L.I.C.) is the westernmost neighborhood of the borough of Queens in New York City. L.I.C. is notable for its rapid and ongoing gentrification, its waterfront parks, and its thriving arts community.[1] L.I.C. has among the highest concentration of art galleries, art institutions, and studio space of any neighborhood in New York City.[2] The neighborhood is bounded on the north by the Queens neighborhood of Astoria; on the west by the East River; on the east by Hazen Street, 31st Street, and New Calvary Cemetery; and on the south by Newtown Creek, which separates Queens from Greenpoint, Brooklyn. It originally was the seat of government of Newtown Township, and remains the largest neighborhood in Queens. The area is part of Queens Community Board 1 north of the Queensboro (59th Street) Bridge and Queens Community Board 2 south of the Bridge.[3]

Looks like Astoria is part of Long Island City.

And, Long Island City is the eastern terminus of the Queensboro Bridge, also known as the 59th Street Bridge, which is the only non-toll automotive route connecting Queens and Manhattan.

Northwest of the bridge terminus are the Queensbridge Houses, development of the New York City Housing Authority and the largest public housing complex in North America.

Everyone can check these on Wikipedia.

So saying the Queensbridge houses are within LIC is technically correct.

i am afflicted with a similar case of nausea, but i do take comfort that you, LICCdope, will soon be living among those you hate---the project in which will live your neighbors, will comprise "3,000 units for family households of four with incomes between $55,000 and $158,000"--

one can safely assume that many of LICCdope's neighbors will be the very government and union workers he blames for his financial troubles. Working people are often very good neighbors. LICCdope will now be able to attend a little reeducation camp in featuring this lesson, in his very own bach yard!!

LIC inspires lovely poetry, here it effects poetic justice.

" The neighborhood is bounded on the north by the Queens neighborhood of Astoria" --Wikepedia

(1) I have no horse in this race.
(2) Wikepedia is not an acceptable citation for any legitimate "research."
(3) Even as quoted, it says LIC's northern border abuts Astoria, as I read it. It doesn't say the northern part of LIC is Astoria. That's absurb and no one, even among the nuts on this board, has ever said Astoria is part of LIC to my knowledge. And the quote, in the end, begs the question of what exactly, in terms of streets, etc form the actual demarcation line of northern LIC.

Why did I even let myself write something on this dead subject? All that matters, or doesn't matter--depending upon who you are--is the physical proximity of the housing project to the subject buildings in LIC. What neighborhood someone decides to say the project is in seems kind of a distinction without a difference. Distance between things remains the same. A rose by any other name...

And it'll be fun to watch as, post-approval, many of those new projects get set aside for even lower-income people, and for homeless families. Everyone living together in perfect harmony -- I love it!

And I didn't even hear about the Bach yard, but lord knows LIC needs some culture. That said, I think the Dannon factory is still there, so maybe it's redundant.

"You people are so full of shit and sanctimonious in your scathing criticism of Steve.
The murder is entirely incidental to his HAHAs ... and you know it."

alan, sorry, but that's utter bullsh!t. Steve spends a large portion of his time here (as do you) bashing the neighborhood of Long Island City, as a not-at-all-veiled attempt to pile it on LICC. I don't agree with LICC on much (and outright disagree on a lot of things), and while I'm obviously not going to stop you from continuing the way-past-stale "joke" you guys find so goshdarn funny, you at least have to agree that Steve's post was in very poor taste. He can poke fun at the neighborhood all he wants, but when he titles a post "Another murder..." and writes "HAHAHAHA" in that same post, that's pretty dumb and incredibly callous, whether he really intended it or not. There are countless other ways to poke fun at the place without doing what he did. I'm sure you guys can come up with a few...

If by definition that the Queensbridge houses are technically within LIC, then there is really nothing to laugh at.

You can also see the definition of LIC from about.com if Wikipedia is not good enough for you.

Long Island City's transformation, however, is told in the stories of its many neighborhoods, some touched by development, other bypassed. Once an independent city, Long Island City officially comprises a swath of western Queens including over 250,000 inhabitants and the neighborhoods of Hunters Point, Sunnyside, Astoria, and lesser-known ones like Ravenswood and Steinway.

Juicy, you just wrote a few words too many. You should have stopped at "I have no thoughts."

Bingo.

Hmm, bjw opines!

LICCdope - Why do you worry, when the Queensbridge Houses are in Astoria.

HAHAHAHAHA!

There - I did it again.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Or, steve, you could just fess up that this thread was in poor taste.

Asoria is part of LIC. Whoever has doubt, call the Mayor.

RevoutiOns, murders, rapes and insults happen everywhere in the world. Why should lic be any different! Revolution I say. May the $100k to $150k/yr have their place in the sun! Let them have cake! Let them have children's party with a Dora piñata! A zales 2 carat round! A 2nd hand used ml430! A vacation in Mexico, at least.

Revolution. RevolutiOn. Revolution!

Poor taste? Over bad financial advice? Hmmmmmmmmm. Which would I take?

hahahahahaha!

Just to keep score.
119th street and Lex. produced some gun play last night that resulted in a shoot out with police.
Could it be Harlem, LIC, and, Billyburg in a race for the bottom.
RELAX, just pot shots!

"LICCdope - Why do you worry, when the Queensbridge Houses are in Astoria.

HAHAHAHAHA!

There - I did it again.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!"

hey, as long as you're no longer laughing at the dead black guy and defending your retarded mistake by suggesting he probably deserved to get dead, it's all good.

Lucille, that's probably as much as you can expect from a guy who is not familiar with the term "mea culpa."

you know he knows, though. he just can never admit it. men.

Astoria is NOT part of LIC, not according the City of New York (or anyone else, for that matter.)

See: http://nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/neighbor/neighf.shtml

Secondly, if you compare the crime stats of 10036 to 11101, you are on the whole safer in LIC than in Hell's Kitchen, though both are more dangerous than Manhattan or NYC as a whole.

http://www.clrsearch.com/11101_Demographics/Crime_Statistics?compare=10036

Chelsea is much more dangerous than LIC:

http://www.clrsearch.com/11101_Demographics/Crime_Statistics?compare=10011

^^^ here I was doing HK from 42nd to 48th. It gets even more dangerous above 48th relative to LIC :

http://www.clrsearch.com/11101_Demographics/Crime_Statistics?compare=10019

SOHO is also A LOT more dangerous than LIC:

http://www.clrsearch.com/11101_Demographics/Crime_Statistics?compare=10013

Also more dangerous than LIC: Gramercy Park:

http://www.clrsearch.com/11101_Demographics/Crime_Statistics?compare=10016

Most dangerous of all the neighbs I have mentioned - West Village:

http://www.clrsearch.com/11101_Demographics/Crime_Statistics?compare=10014

If you are going to start a thread about murders in LIC, you might also want to note that your risk of being murdered is 50% higher in 10014, 25% higher in 10016, nearly double in 10013, and 20% higher in 10019.

I should note that LIC has a crime risk barely above the NYC average, whilst the others I cite are all much above teh overall city average...

NYC average = 87% of US average.

Jason,

That was a map that shows boundaries of community districts in Queens. Even in this narrow definition, LIC still spans across CD1 and CD2, and the Queensbridge houses is in LIC.

Historically, LIC includes Astoria. However, as these places all get more populated, people want to have their own identities.

Therefore, the original reporting from NY1 was not incorrect. There was nothing for the original poster to laugh at.

vic64, background info: a certain emotional cripple on the SE boards has often maintained that LIC is only the teensy little area he chooses to identify as LIC -- a small intoxicating EPA Superfund Site brownfield of a couple hundred acres or so. The original poster was merely pointing out that LIC does indeed cover much more territory.

It's not so hard to figure out LIC's boundaries, because it was actually a separate city before the Great Mistake, so it has truly precise borders. And you are absolutely correct, Astoria is wholly within those borders.

Jason, I'm not sure those are relevant comparisons ... how does the crime in Long Island City compare with that of Love Canal?

If cook books work for the Azure....maybe Kevlar vests in LIC...just saying, I'm not in marketing.

This would be a good gimmie!
http://www.itaser.com/

I think williamsburg motto is," Don't taz me bro".

"Jason, I'm not sure those are relevant comparisons ... how does the crime in Long Island City compare with that of Love Canal?"

I am comparing the crime rate (including the murder rate) in the zip code most commonly advertised by RE agents as LIC with popular neighborhoods in Manhattan - including one posters on this very thread live in. Your risk of being murdered are higher in these areas versus LIC. That is entirely relevant. Why are there not 90 comment threads on "another murder in Chelsea"??? If not. It's odd Manhattan snobbery at its worst.

Actually, there are more threads bashing LIC than probably all the threads bashing all the other neighbs combined. Its a bizarre obsession you all have with putting this one area down.

Jason,

Besides the geographical borders, I agree with you.

"It's usually enlightening to play out the simplest of scenarios to see if you are a hypocrite and/or how developed your moral compass swings"

so, uh, w67thstreet, can't think of a single parallell senario involving jews, real or hallucinated, that could help you get a better understanding of steve's moral compass? how odd.

Jason -- Just be glad you missed the discussion on the other thread about the climate in LIC.

Falco -- I don't mean to be a pedant, but I think it is "don't tase me bro" or maybe "don't taze me bro" and not "don't taz me bro." To "taz" someone would mean to unleash the Tasmanian Devil; perhaps that is what you meant?

jason10006, while i admire your signature diligence in changing the subject back to geography, i still have to ask, no righteous wrath for posters making jokes about a dead black guy from the projects? or the posters telling others who had shared how street violence impacted their lives, to, and i quote, get over it? or something about cancer? granted, laughing and a dead black guy from the projects while suggesting his death was his own fault is nowhere near allegedly confusing koreans and japanese in fort lee, new jersy, but still. nothing?

how truly remarkable.

That's a VERY CLEVER COMPARISON, Jason! Now, divide by the population and get back to me.

I told you in the Harlem thread Jason, your reports are flawed because half of Manhattan and Jersey hang out in Chelsea on Week ends. You have to look at the traffic in the neighborhood. Chelsea see its population at least doubling on W/E's. Harlem? Certainly not! LIC may be see a bit more traffic during the summer with all the parties over there (Taxi Beach, PS1...) but not as much as Chelsea.

What i said for Chealse is also true for Soho, the West Village, you name it...

LucilleIsOffended.

"I told you in the Harlem thread Jason, your reports are flawed..."

I saw that, and responded. People from Manhattan go to all of these relatively unsafe neighborhoods all the time to shop, go to dinner, or to a club and no one ever says "don't go to the West Village or Soho - THEY ARE UNSAFE!!!!"

Also, people DO live in these places.

Also, you do not know or present any evidence that most of these crimes in say the WVil take place at night (obviously mainly Friday and Saturday) OR that they mostly happen to out-of-towners. And these would both HAVE to be true, because the total crime risk in 10014 is 2.5X that if 10029. For your math to be true, 58% of the crimes committed in the West Village would have to be against non-residents...and that assumes ZERO crimes against non-residents in Harlem.

What is more, the times square area - the very DEFINITION of out of townees in Manhattan, less than half the crime risk of the West Village. Both 10036 & 10019. The Penn Station areas, also much lower. Wall Street (10038) - which goes up by 10,000% during the day - less than half the crime rate of the W Vill.

Mid-town east (10022, 10017) - again, half, even though their populations way more than double during the day.

In any event, their is a LOT of crime in the W Vill and Meatpacking versus all sorts of other neighbs. If they are mostly against non-residents, I would like to see some stats on this.