so who loves bpc?

would also love to have a sports bar not too far away .

I rent there now, in the south cove plaza and have for two years. My ap't is on the third floor, with green trees, water views, and the colgate clock at night. I can hear the birds in the am and the water lapping on the sides of the piers. Drawbacks: it is islolated from good restaurants (nthing good ekartash!), groceries and the like. Also far from the subways.

I ve also lived/owned in tribeca, nolita, midtown east and yorkville in the past 15 years. I d say that each one of the areas had its good and bads. The overall mix in BPC is overall, pretty good.

There is nothing like Battery Park in the Spring/ Summer. Absolutely fabulous. Especially at the south most point. Wonderful park and views. A few blocks to the major subway lines that take no more than 25 mins to get to Midtown. It's so much nicer to hear nature than the noise of ambulances sirens, city noise etc. in the area. Sunsets on the Hudson when one can't make it out to the Hamptons!

thanks. we do love all of those qualities. now back to dinning.....

There's a new place Merchant's River House just south of the boat cove. Have not tried it but it seems unusually crowded for a BPC place. Other than that you have the places in WFC and not much else. There are about a dozen sports bars or pubs between Murray, Chambers, Greenwich and Broadway.

The dining scene in southern BPC is pretty bad. The walk to TriBeCa is obviously quite far, there's not a lot in BPC itself (as malthus notes, most of it's in the WFC and none of that is special in any way). There's a restaurant in the Ritz Carlton for fine dining, but I've never tried it. Inatesso in the Millenium is pretty good. If you cross the West Street, you've got BLT Bar and Grill in the W, which is too expensive for what it is, and then you've got a bunch of places that mostly do delivery business. Depending on your inclinations, you've probably got something like 2 or 3 restaurants within a reasonable walking radius that are worth a mention.

Inatteso Restaurant in the Millennium (30 West St)...which is very good...excellent pizzas especially "pizza della nonna".

Gigino right on the water with the most beautiful views of the Harbor.

The Market in the Visionaire with very well prepared food for take out (everything is cooked in the on premises kitchen).

Merchant River House is good and there's a Merchants right across West Street on Washington Street that's also very good.

The Grill Room, Southwest, PJ Clarke, etc. in the Financial Center.

Goldman Sachs is bringing in a Danny Meyer's Shake Shack, Blue Smoke and North End Grill to their building that was once the Embassy Suites Hotel...now under renovation to be opened as a Conrad Hotel.

There is a large sports bar/restaurant in the Marriott Hotel at 85 West Street (Alabany St.)

"Or maybe for someone who knows NY pretty well, but doesn't feel the need to live above his favorite bar or restaurant anymore."

Once again, another justification that you can use for Jersey City, the Suburbs, or Cleveland.
Not a very smart compromise.

I don't want to live above a bar anymore either... but I still want a neighborhood with life and diversity in it. If I didn't, jersey is much cheaper.

bpc is very nice. but if i seriously considered it, i would simultaneously look in the same price range at new buildings/developments on the water in every direction to make sure i really understood and was comfortalbe with the extent of the premium on not much more than a nyc address in choosing bpc.

I prefer Salt Lake City or Singapore or solitary confinement.

"Once again, another justification that you can use for Jersey City, the Suburbs, or Cleveland.
Not a very smart compromise."

Except for the obvious fact that you can't walk 5-10 minutes from Jersey City or Cleveland and get most of that diversity you so crave. In fact you can't walk 5-10 minutes from most of the UES and find diversity or life either, but that's another topic entirely.

BTW, how exactly do you measure diversity?

The pathos of the "so close and yet so far" phenomenon. I prefer Singapore.

You prefer the so far, yet so far, I see. Still it doesn't get much more diverse than Singapore, unless you are talking about political opinions.

"Except for the obvious fact that you can't walk 5-10 minutes from Jersey City or Cleveland and get most of that diversity you so crave."

If you have to take a train or a cab to places that matter, Jersey City is a fairer comparison. Hell, there is more going on in Jersey City with some of the development in the last few years than BPC in my book. Not the on the water part, which reminds me of BPC, the more inland neighborhood stuff. But if you have to commute to find interesting things... or groceries...

"In fact you can't walk 5-10 minutes from most of the UES and find diversity or life either"

On the scale where the UES doesn't have "life", then BPC is a black hole. No comparison whatsoever.

It also happens to have the most expensive blocks in all of Manhattan.... might have something to do with demand.

"It also happens to have the most expensive blocks in all of Manhattan.... might have something to do with demand."

I thought your point went to liveliness and diversity not price. Or are you saying that price is now the determinant of liveliness and diversity? Perhaps then we start comparing Fifth Avenue to Atherton, California or Greenwich? And that would make BPC much more lively and diverse than Jersey City. But wait, you just said, oh nevermind.

> I thought your point went to liveliness and diversity not price.

The original point was certainly that, and if UES isn't lively, then BPC is... wow... scary to think about it. The morgue?

Demand for services is one factor in price, but so would schools, proximities, taxes and a ton of other factors, making comparisons to other counties tough. Being in Manhattan, both being near major work centers, makes it a closer comparison. But, yes, the same place on Fifth Avenue vs. pretty much anywhere else in this country will cost you more.... as it should.

we currently live in chelsea. but we have a kid now, and would like more space. bpc seems like the perfect area. not only in terms your living arrangement, but also the area around it.

btw, i find both UES and UWS lifeless. i would much rather be in BPC, and believe me if it was not for our kid, i would not consider it. where can you walk to from UES? midtown east? how about from UWS? nowhere. at least Tribeca is very close to north bpc.

and how are people seriously comparing jersey city to bpc? might as well throw staten island into the mix. bpc is still on the island of manhattan, and much much closer to village, soho, tribeca, chinatown. when its raining and i need to get home, i hail a cab. what am i doing if i i have to get back to jersey city?

ekartash.....your child will love BPC....it's as close to living in the suburbs as you can get and with so many activities for children...even fishing on the esplanade.
The brand new elementary/intermediate school (right behind the Millennium) is the first green school in NYC. It's state of the art including filtered air!!