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Non US-Citizen Purchasing Real Estate

Started by torontonyc
over 14 years ago
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Looking for advice/experience of non-US citizens purchasing real estate in NYC (specifically Brooklyn). What was your experience and what advise would you give? Rumour has it that non-citizens must pay full in cash as US banks will not provide mortgages to non-citizens. Is this true? What are the general costs associated with purchasing NYC real estate (e.g. closing costs, property tax, etc.)? Would you recommend purchasing real estate today in NYC? What is your opinion on the market today? Is it a good time to buy or is the market still overheated? Considering the high cost of rent I'm heavily considering investing as building equity is always the smarter choice.
Response by basicinformation
over 14 years ago
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Member since: Oct 2008

i m a resident but not a citizen. the process is exactly the same as for a citizen.

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Response by Sunday
over 14 years ago
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"...building equity is always the smarter choice."

Tell that to the more than ten million households with underwater mortgages.

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Response by CuriousNYC
over 14 years ago
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Non-citizens do not have to pay full cash. If you do not have any credit here, ask the bank/lender to retrieve your credit history from Canada, eh.

Transaction costs here are much higher than Toronto esp for condos. One big difference in NY real estat mkt is the concept of co-ops. Quite different from co-ops in Toronto and other cities in NA. Coming from Canada, it's prob not your first choice but do consider & look into it. Prop tax & common (maint) charges are much higher here. (Bonus: Mortgage interest is tax deductible.)

Based on my understanding of the mkt now, I am pretty sure it will cost you more to own than to rent. The cost of rent has not caught up to owning in NY. Everyone has their version of "building equity". If paying down the principal of a mortgage is considered as "building equity", then you may be on to something.

Good luck!

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Response by NWT
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Response by NYCMatt
over 14 years ago
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You might have trouble getting past a co-op board, if your income is dependent upon a work visa that could expire or be rescinded.

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Response by front_porch
over 14 years ago
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Liquidity is slightly different for foreign nationals; when you sell, you'll face a withholding of part of your proceeds until the IRS makes sure that you have paid all necessary taxes. Google "firpta."

On the buying end, expect to be thoroughly grilled in order to get your mortgage. The lending climate isn't easy for U.S. citizens right now, let alone foreign nationals.

You won't, however, have to pay all cash. I recommend talking to Sunny Hong at Bank of America -- a lot of people on this board have enjoyed working with him.

ali r.
DG Neary Realty

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Response by streetsmart
over 14 years ago
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Mortgage Broker here. I used to deal with a bank that lends to foreign nationals. Not certain if they're still doing it.

Contact me with specifics if you like.

esfundingco@aol.com

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Response by nyc10023
over 14 years ago
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BTDT - as a non-US-citizen on a work visa. 20% down (mind you, this was 10+ years ago, diff. lending climate), UWS co-op. Talk to a few banks and mtge brokers. Be up front with your credit scores and immigration status.

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Response by Ottawanyc
over 14 years ago
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In similar situation. You will have to have around a 30% downpayment and you will likely get capped at around 1 million. Co-ops further complicate and aren't such a good option if your plan is to rent after you move. Rbc was an option to work with, but they were recently sold. Mortgages also suck down here and are more complicated with possibility of buying points.

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Response by Trevor444
over 14 years ago
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Member since: Dec 2009

I'm a canadian and just bought an apt in the city. I can tell you that if you are on an H1B or a TN visa the process is no different than if you were a citizen / greencard holder... other than you have to send a copy of your visa to the bank.

I can't help you if you are simply buying a piece of property from Canada.

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Response by midtowner
over 14 years ago
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Member since: Jul 2009

canadians have it relatively easy as the banks "somewhat" consider them "americans".that doesn't apply to mexicans for some reason.
the real difference is not citizen/non citizen, but US person/non US person. A US person (perm res/citizen)has no pbs getting a mortgage (if they qualify/ income and assets). A non US person will face difficulty (they can always leave without legal jurisdictional recourse).That's why chinese/brazil/euros buy cash.
Buying in a negative real interest rate environment seems a very rational decision (and medium term potentially very lucrative)to me.
good luck.

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Response by GuardHillPotter
over 14 years ago
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There are a lot of options depending on your situation. Please feel free to contact me.
Regards,

Christopher A. Potter
Vice President | NMLS 153995
Direct 646.519.7551| Email cpotter@guardhill.com

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Response by seven7
over 14 years ago
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I bought my first apartment when i still just was a US resident and it was EXACTLY the same process, but that was 1991- I don't know if the rules have changed since

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Response by WBurgNewbie PRO
over 14 years ago
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Member since: Feb 2011

I just went through this myself. My husband and I are both Canadians (from Toronto) I am a resident and he is on a TN Visa. There was no problem with getting a mortgage and yes you just need to send copies of the appropriate legal documents. The big difference from Canada is the tax witholdings upon sale (as already detailed above) and also the entire purchase process. It is borderline ridiculous. Here you put it an offer on a place but no money exchanges hands so anyone can pull out at any point (very different from Canada) they also have a variety of closing costs that are for the most part non-negotiable (again very different from Canada) the two big costs that are different are transfer taxes (which you only pay on a new property) and mortgage tax. I think our total closing costs were about 5% of the sals price. The one thing that is much better about the U.S. system is the transparency of previous sales prices for comps. Streeteasy could not exist in Canada.

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