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renters avoid this building

Started by benwellington
over 14 years ago
Posts: 16
Member since: Feb 2007
Discussion about 121 E 12th Street #6D
This building, like 135 Charles St, is managed by Bernic Enterprises. Note that when I moved out, after 5 years of living, Mr. Bernic charged over $1300 to "repaint", even after the super stated during a walk through that the apartment was in good shape. I also had to call dozens of times to get any security deposit back, and it was not delivered for over 4 months. Rent at your own risk!
Response by benwellington
over 14 years ago
Posts: 16
Member since: Feb 2007

Correction: I meant to say that I lived there for about 4 years, and Security deposit took over 3 months. But the point remains.

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Response by NYCMatt
over 14 years ago
Posts: 7523
Member since: May 2009

Um, "good shape" isn't good enough to rent to a new tenant. I don't care how clean you are, new tenants demand a fresh coat of paint -- especially after five years.

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Response by downtown1234
over 14 years ago
Posts: 349
Member since: Nov 2007

NYCMatt - You are a right, but the LL shouldn't be charging the old tenant because they have to repaint. In all my years of renting, I have never been charged for painting upon moving out.

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Response by Brooks2
over 14 years ago
Posts: 2970
Member since: Aug 2011

normal wear and tear. full deposit should be given back

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Response by bramstar
over 14 years ago
Posts: 1909
Member since: May 2008

>>Um, "good shape" isn't good enough to rent to a new tenant. I don't care how clean you are, new tenants demand a fresh coat of paint -- especially after five years. <<

Dead wrong. Prep for incoming tenants (fresh coat of paint, minor repairs) comes out of the LL's pocket NOT the previous tenant's security deposit. Unless Ben left large gouges or otherwise damaged the walls, he should NEVER have had money withheld for a repaint. Outrageous.

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Response by Snuffles
over 14 years ago
Posts: 173
Member since: Apr 2010

Did you have the walls painted yourself into some sort of expressive colors other than the standard white that it came with? If you left it as u got it with normal wear and tear u shouldn't get charged.

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Response by inonada
over 14 years ago
Posts: 7952
Member since: Oct 2008

Just file a small claims suit. Your $1300 will be returned shortly thereafter. You should have done that long ago.

One other thing to know. If the LL failed to segregate your deposit (by commingling with his own monies, for example), he has done the civil equivalent of stealing your money ("conversion"). A tell-tale sign of this is the late return of the deposit. Another would be if he failed to send you notice of where your deposit is being held, which is requied by law and cannot be waived.

If this is the case, court precedent is that he return the money to you immediately with 9% per annum interest. Given the 4 years, this amounts to 36% of your deposit. This has to be paid back immediately, even if you've trashed the apt. The LL has to then sue yo get money back for damages.

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Response by huntersburg
over 14 years ago
Posts: 11329
Member since: Nov 2010

>Just file a small claims suit. Your $1300 will be returned shortly thereafter. You should have done that long ago.

Yes

>One other thing to know. If the LL failed to segregate your deposit (by commingling with his own monies, for example), he has done the civil equivalent of stealing your money ("conversion").

Highly unlikely for a long-term, non-one-off landlord.

>A tell-tale sign of this is the late return of the deposit.

Or not

>If this is the case, court precedent is

This won't be covered in Small Claims Ct. so the suggestion is this tenant do what? Hire a lawyer? File in NY Supreme Court? Get his own subpoenas for evidence?

>This has to be paid back immediately, even if you've trashed the apt.

Immediately after winning this case, and then enforcing a judgment with the New York County Sheriff.

>The LL has to then sue yo get money back for damages.

So while the case is pending before the NY Supreme Court, the landlord brings counter suit. How much is allocated in the legal budget for this tenant?

As usual, you start with some fair advice and then go overboard to ridiculous impractical extremes.

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Response by benwellington
over 14 years ago
Posts: 16
Member since: Feb 2007

The walls were white. I never touched them.

He also let the painters in BEFORE my lease was up. They destroyed by furniture, raided my fridge,thew my art on the ground, and stole boxes and bags of clothing. He would not even apologize. Then he charged me for that very same paint job.

Note that §27-2013 of the NYC Administrative Code requires that Landlords of units with multiple dwelling repaint every three years. I was there more than 3... so he had to repaint by law.

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Response by huntersburg
over 14 years ago
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Member since: Nov 2010

>and stole boxes and bags of clothing

Did you file a police report?

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Response by jason10006
over 14 years ago
Posts: 5257
Member since: Jan 2009

What ino said. File a small claims suit. I hope you took photos.

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Response by 875gator
over 14 years ago
Posts: 193
Member since: Sep 2010

I don't get the comment by NYCMatt. I didn't read that the OP argued that the walls were in "good shape" and didn't need painting.

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Response by julia
over 14 years ago
Posts: 2841
Member since: Feb 2007

if you file in small claims court can other LL's find out your complaint when lookng for a new apartment?

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Response by jason10006
over 14 years ago
Posts: 5257
Member since: Jan 2009

Julia - yes. But in this case sounds like it might be work it.

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Response by benwellington
over 14 years ago
Posts: 16
Member since: Feb 2007

That is a trade-off. It would be in the landlords best interest to just pay me my security deposit and move on. In court, I will be going for both the security deposit and a refund for my damaged/stolen goods. A simple apology would have gone a long way.

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