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NYTimes Gets It Wrong on Innovation Stagnation

Started by needsadvice
about 14 years ago
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"Let’s imagine that someone from the year 1970 miraculously traveled forward in time to today. You could show her one of the iPhones that Steve Jobs helped create, and she’d be thunderstruck. The time traveler would be vibrating with excitement. She’d want to know what other technological marvels had been invented in the past 41 years. She’d ask about space colonies on Mars, flying cars, superfast... [more]
Response by huntersburg
about 14 years ago
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Nice theory, but if Gates and Buffett have controlling interests in their companies so that quarterly public reactions are irrelevant, and if you have huge private companies like Koch Industries, why aren't they the exception to Theil?

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Response by NYCMatt
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"Airplanes are pretty much the same now as they were then"

In many cases, they're the EXACT same planes from 1970.

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Response by huntersburg
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No they aren't.

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Response by Socialist
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There arent' any planes from the 70s still flying in commercial service. They might be the same models (ie: 747, A320, etc.) but they are not exactly the same planes.

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Response by huntersburg
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I think maybe Matt is talking about some of the planes on Air Pittsburg that are from 1970 - the 747s that fly from Harrisburg to Pittsburg.

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Response by Brooks2
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In the old days, the stock price was a minor thing, something that the accountants worried about,-

yea.. no one cared about making money in 1970.

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Response by Brooks2
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so if we don't tale LSD we will become eloi like?

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Response by AvUWS
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This is such crap. The cars are the same? Really?

Airbags, CD players, 300 HP engines that get 30+ MPG, ABS, limited slip differentials, 4-wheel driver control systems, heated (and cooled) seats, hybrids, all in your affordable family car today. This would have been better than the super cars of 1970. Heck, even intermittent wipers weren't available then. And this car will last a good 150-200,000 miles instead of 50,000.

Airplanes? Aside from being 30-50% more efficient the price is about 1/5 of what it was back then. So progress hasbeen made. THe same plane is also much less likely to crash.

So much of what is written by journalists just isn't so.

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Response by huntersburg
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Oddly, the Concorde made its first flight before 1970. Today we don't have that speed for commercial travel, and while it takes longer to get from JFK to LA or SanFran because of air or airport traffic, it takes less time to get to Europe and to Asia because of the better reliability of aircraft engines meaning that more efficient, and less close to land routes can be taken.

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Response by malthus
about 14 years ago
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Apple did not invent the mobile phone. Motorola produced the first one while Jobs was in high school. They did not invent the smartphone. That was Nokia, a 100+ year old company from Finland. They did not invent the internet. That was initiated by those counterculture heroes at Darpa. Brooks does not even understand what Jobs actual contribution has been.

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Response by AvUWS
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Jobs didn't even invent the use of the fingers to flip the pictures or zoom in and out. If he had he would never have let other devices use this technique.

His genius was in recognizing the pieces and putting them together, and not just in a way that worked, but in a way that delighted.

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Response by huntersburg
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>His genius was in recognizing the pieces and putting them together, and not just in a way that worked, but in a way that delighted.

The genius is that an iPad can be used intuitively and productively by everyone from an elderly idiot invalid like columbiacounty to a 4 year old child (or someone with an equivalent IQ), to an ape like w67thstreet, to actual smart, sophisticated productive people.

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Response by Socialist
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The technology currently exists to manufacture commercial airplanes that go more than twice the speed of the Concorde. But nobody wants to build such a plane.

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Response by Riversider
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Because fuel economy is more important??????

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Response by huntersburg
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>Because fuel economy is more important??????

Noise issues.

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Response by falcogold1
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I would take the time traveler on a 747. I would explain that the plane was the same model but, much newer.
The flight attendent, same one from 1970. (explains the aluminum walker, also no tech advance)

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Response by falcogold1
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what about inovations in industries such as porn?
any idea what pron looked like in 1970?
still pictures printed on paper and stapled together to make a thing called a magazine.
(I only read them for the articles, that lustful Jimmy Carter)
I don't even want to mention the abilities of an i-pad when it comes to this realm.
what about elected representation?
today we have republican cult members, Afro-American pizza tycons, womanizing known cheaters, texan religious fanatics and, Ron Paul all trying to gain our attention for the presidential nomination.
We've come a long way baby!

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