Sale at 127 West 96th Street #9CD

Really, Lisa? Why do you think this forum isn't full of other brokers schilling their listings? You think you are the only one who thought of this? No. Others don't do it because that isn't what this forum is for. Now you are possibly going to get a tongue lashing from lots of posters on here which will pop up if anyone searches the property you list, and in the past, this forum has been evidence that any press is NOT good press.

Look at the hyperbole (kind of offensive, imo) you managed to spin into just two sentences. "It may be gone very soon." Honestly? Its been around for nearly 3 months. Not exactly flying off the shelf, is it? Price reduction already. Guess you kind of pegged the value wrong to start with, so there's a little ding to credibility right there. Now posting here just says you aren't all that seasoned or you just don't really get Streeteasy, which is pretty disturbing because SE has become a staple of the NYC RE market and for a broker to not be familiar enough with it to avoid a gaffe like this thread doesn't say great things about the broker's acumen.

Bit strong, perhaps, but there is enough crap on here about macro economic issues without further cluttering the board with this type of thread.

P.S. Lisa, if you are posting as a broker you are supposed to identify yourself as such. REBNY rules, no? DId you break a rule?

Kyle, on second thought, maybe you should stick with threads about Falcon Crest.

You are way too angry

Hey Lisa.....while you were out, Dean Mills called you.

Maybe I woke up angry. Posting pre-coffee isn't good. But its just so dopey. Isn't there an agency full of other agents sitting right next to you to ask "hey-should I post this listing on the talk forum of SE?"

Hey Bill/MidtownerVirginEast ... what do you think of Kyle now?

Kyle, remember that post you created about the broker, listing her by name, because you thought something was misleading in the photos in her listing, when just a few seconds of investigation and a little logic would have led you to the better conclusion that it was an error in her brokerage system?

Well, here, the greater likelihood than your scenario is that this broker went to the listing page for her own listing. And it has a link that says "Create a New Discussion about this Listing" on that page which is what she did. That's a bit different from going to the Talk page and creating a brand new discussion in the midst of your discussion about granite kitchens.

Frankly, Streeteasy might wish to promote more discussions about individual properties, and have those SEPARATE from the general Talk area on the front page and the Talk page. That of course would have the additional benefit of you not being offended.

While KW is right that there's an unwritten custom on this board that sell-side brokers don't usually talk about individual properties, I don't know
a) how Lisa could be expected to know that and
b) why we don't just adopt hb's suggestion to partition/ghettoize such discussions.

This board certainly has swung so far away from selling brokers that learned hands like 30_yrs, oldbroker, MRussell, SMattingly, etc. almost never participate any more, and I think that's a drag for the SE community on the two days a year that questions come up that don't concern renovation or options trading.

ali r.
DG Neary Realty

I think a broker discussing his/her own listing(s) to start a discussion would lead to tons and tons of brokers, as a matter of course, "starting a discussion" by just repeating a line or two from the already available property description in the listing itself, and I'm not sure if there would be a meaningful utility to that. If just two dozen brokers started discussions about the 100 listings they collectively held, and each thread began like this one with meaningless fluff about "this is special and may not last," whatwho would be served? Who would take the time to sift through these since there would be no rhyme or reason to how they appeared? Regular or "advanced" SE searches for listings is much more productive. I seriously doubt that a broker would add anything in a thread of substance that wasn't already in the listing itself. On the other hand, discussions of particular units are posted here often enough by buyers soliciting opinions on price, building, location, etc and those threads can be useful. See for example, a great discussion of GV pre and post war buildings that gets very specific as to certain units (with unfortunate sidetrack into discussions of traffic): http://streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/14254-best-prewar-bldg-in-the-village-best-post-war. Or this thread on another building.http://streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/24345-sale-at-40-50-east-10th-street-6j. Or this thread that the owner would have done well to take to heart a year ago: http://streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/23148-what-price-will-this-apartment-sell-for

But I think what holds little promise of serving any meaningful function is a lot of broker initiated threads that have a sentence of fluff that boils down to "look at my listing." Who would really benefit from that?

Well, listing broker says it's "special." Presumably if listing broker started a thread with that claim, other posters would say, "hey why is it special?" and then she'd respond, and that would be interesting.

This one is not my listing, and not my claim, but I can imagine it going something like this:

"well, it's special because it's a combo, so on the left where you had the old kitchen of the studio you now have a small bedroom/nursery away from the other two bedrooms" which then would devolve into a "is that a better layout than an updated Classic Six from 1915" discussion.

which might be interesting for those looking in that kind of niche.

ali r.
DG Neary Realty

If a broker wants to have a discussion within their own listing page, why not? Seems that the issue is then just if that discussion appears among the regular Talk topics.

Lisa Rosenstein got a friendly heads up on this board four days ago telling her not to use this space for advertising:

http://streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/28779-sale-at-127-west-96th-street-9cd

Lisa Rosenstein ignored that and is now back to tell us all her unsold apartment is "special." If someone now asks her "hey why is it special," oops forgot the comma, then she will only come back with, if anything, a zinger like, "because it's got great energy!" or some other real estate drivel.

The level of Lisa Rosenstein's discourse does not appear to be very high, and anyone who is interested in her "kind of niche" can look through the SE listings just like the rest of us.

insane price

Yes I think shilling should be welcomed. It gives the community opportunity to give opinions on the merits of the sale or comp it to it's death.

Who could forget the shiller by the bridge? That was fun.
http://streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/23685-keep-an-eye-out-401-east-60th-st-apt4abc

Spank! Boss_Tweed, I didn't see that earlier post and more gentle "warning" that obviously had no effect.

Maybe that gentle warning had no context.

Everyone likes to assume there's a well-known, clear set of rules here and that everyone new should approach streeteasy with trepidation.

truthskr10: That listing is still on the market, 11 months after it was shilled on this forum, even with the price being dropped $300k from the original listing. I guess listing on this forum didn't help. LOL!

RealEstateNY
2 minutes ago truthskr10: That listing is still on the market, 11 months after it was shilled on this forum, even with the price being dropped $300k from the original listing. I guess listing on this forum didn't help. LOL!

it may not have helped, but it assuredly didn't hurt. the hubris of posters on this board astounds me, actually thinking that you will be able one way or the other (given a couple of dozen regular posters) influence the sale of a property. and i think kylewest is a giant dick for acting out the way he has. shame.

SAVE Seeking UWS 2 bed 2bath rental by March1st

Everytime I see a stupid post like this I am going to remind the OP that there is a place for them to search for active rentals, and THIS FORUM ISN'T IT!

I would think the traits that prompt a broker to shill a listing on the forum side of Streeteasy (ignorance, lack of awareness, bumbling foolishness or braggadocio) would also hurt their ability to market said listing properly.

Let's talk about the property. It's been saved by 44 users, but seems to have trouble selling at a "low" price. What's the skeleton in the closet here? Sold for $1.3M in 2007, which would suggest $1.15M as the market price nowadays using averages?

Think what you will about me, but I'm right. The truth hurts. Sorry if I didn't dress it up in a package more to some people's liking. Reality bites.

"Three real bedrooms"?? Um, no. 15" X 7" does not a bedroom make. Call it what it is--a 2 with maid's.

>Think what you will about me, but I'm right. The truth hurts. Sorry if I didn't dress it up in a package more to some people's liking. Reality bites.

I'm actually thinking I might have to apologize to midtownereast who criticized you, citing your apparent need to control everyone's opinions and behavior on streeteasy.... and possibly elsewhere.

And, the alleged third bedroom has no closet. If they did put one in then the room could have been five feet wide. Without that wall-off it wouldn't be a bad apartment if priced accordingly.

I suspect the apartment doesn't show very well--the combo of the odd Asian-restaurant style decor and apparent lack of natural light may be turning off visitors.

Not to mention the dated travertine tiled bathroom (talk about oh-so-90s) which any buyer in his right mind will want to rip out and replace.

Dated yes and as I said "if priced accordingly" which it isn't. They can Open House this into a stupor and we will see.

>odd Asian-restaurant style decor

funny

Can someone explain to me how this apartment is a "loft"?

Since 14CD sold for 1.1M in 2009, I'd give a 5% reflation and a 5% discount to account for the floor difference and say $1.1M.

That $1.1M is also where a market-average 15% drop since the peak last sale would put it.

The broker started at $1.65M back in 2008. By the time 14CD sold, they were asking $1.399M, a mere 300K over their upstairs neighbor. It's hard to compare the quality of each reno, since I haven't seen either apartment, but neither job jumps as clearly superior. If anything, I'd give the advantage to 14CD, which has a more classically pre-war floorplan over the open kitchen with ugly tiles in 9CD.

Since I think the best comparisons to this combo are Classic Sixes, the width of the third "bedroom" doesn't bother me, because in competitive apartments it would be a very narrow maid's room.

If, however, the purpose of that room is "a place to keep a futon to stash a visiting grandparent" (which is often what Classic Six buyers want that maid's room for) then the fact that there is no bathroom near it makes for a less-preferential layout.

ali r.
DG Neary Realty

Exactly.

This apartment is perfect for a single or a couple; that narrow bedroom would make a perfect office or den, and the second bedroom would be the guest room (perfect since it has its own bathroom en suite).

But calling it a "loft" shows a total ignorance of New York real estate terminology. This must be Lisa's very first listing.