Tonight Obama WON the election

Let the other guy get into a knife fight. Use your long gun.

the mere mention of rove has me yearning to take a shower. id be ashamed to have anything to do with that lying sleazebag piece of shit for a human being. so much of what's so wrong with US politics is on rove if not invented by him.

takeaway from last night's results is that average americans have wised up to scum like rove--his likes as well as the tea party are proving to be liabilities

Brooksie & LICC be berry quiet 2day.

Berry quiet.

The capitalist spoke today

If there were consequences for being monumentally wrong, this sequence would have ended Rove's career:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJg3z5c93zU

He knew it was over, and the Decision Desk knew that he knew. But the Fox audience is a Republican crowd, and the way to keep them tuned in was to keep their candidate on life support for another hour. If they wee dumb enough to fall for it, they got the election coverage they deserved.

I was tuned it - it was some of the most entertaining television I've seen this entire year!

Oh, West81st: The chance of you ever getting into a knife fight in a dark alley is slim to none. ;)

"Fox declared Ohio for Obama because its decision desk knew that the uncounted vote at that time in the evening was in areas with overwhelming Obama support. Rove didn't know that, Clemente said. Through his own reporting, Rove saw the actual vote count narrowing to a margin below 1,000—information the decision desk didn't know at the time.

"It all came out at once," Clemente said. "It would have been easier if it had all come out in some linear fashion, but it didn't."

karl rove doesn't need lucille bluth to defend him, but i cant imagine his motive was entertaining fox viewers and keeping them in front of their tvs for a few minutes longer. it was his fight, he was professionally and personally invested in its outcome. incidentally, this kind of perseverance and determination is the reason i want him on my knife fighting dream team.

http://www.mercurynews.com/entertainment/ci_21950346/fox-has-no-problems-rove-day-later

"id be ashamed to have anything to do with that lying sleazebag piece of shit for a human being."

look, you don't have to gay marry the guy, just fight along him in a dark alley knife fight. and i think he'd be good there.

"so much of what's so wrong with US politics is on rove if not invented by him."

maybe a little bit hyperbolic

"the mere mention of rove has me yearning to take a shower. "

that's just weird

"that average americans have wised up to scum like_________"

is the takeaway after every election. the average american is none the wiser for it.

"Fox declared Ohio for Obama because its decision desk knew that the uncounted vote at that time in the evening was in areas with overwhelming Obama support. Rove didn't know that, Clemente said."

OK, so why exactly did Rove think the Decision Desk had called Ohio for Obama? To keep up with NBC? The ONLY reason to call the state at that point was that mos of the remaining vote was in Obama country. Rove has been in the business long enough to know that. So, he observed a narrowing of the actual vote on the Ohio DoS web site? Big deal. That just means some Republican precincts were counted, making it even more certain that the President would dominate the remaining 20%.

Of course Fox didn't throw Rove under a bus. He did a good job for them: he kept the pot boiling on the air, long after the election was over. If he really just wanted to make sure Fox made the right call, he could have quietly passed a note to the analysts, informing them of his scoop from the DoS web site, and asking them to check the distribution of non-reporting districts. Not that it's a big deal. It's just show biz.

i think he was grasping because he didn't want to concede defeat. i don't think doing fox any favors by manufacturing drama for their viewers even entered his mind. i would imagine those moments of realization that he was losing and the ultimate acceptance that he did in fact lose were very difficult and stressful for him, as they would be for anyone in that position. he was saying what he believed or at least hoped was reality.

Lucille: I have no idea what was going through Rove's mind. My point was that Clemente's explanation makes no sense. Karl Rove doesn't know how professionals call a state? He couldn't send a few text messages from his ever-present Blackberry? Please.

By the way, speaking of election analysts, I thought Chuck Todd was terrific on NBC. He had a much better night than Brian Williams.

" He had a much better night than Brian Williams."

but not as good a night as diane sawyer.

was there a taking gorilla in the Lincoln Center area that made a prediction?

the country is far better off aware that rove is a lying scumbag con

it's nice that people have awakened and are seeing through the constant flow of bullshit emanating from scum-funded pacs

the roves kochs adelsons of our country have become symbols of what's wrong--and our middle class is hip to the con--funny, not one adelson-bought candidate won

and youre a dope if you think repugnatcans are good for deficits and our stock market--look at a friggin chart

lucille: Just saw video of Diane at the desk that night.
SNL will have fun with that.
The look on George's face was priceless.
Every time they threw to the reporters out in the field, you can see those guys going from shock, to annoyance
and settling down into bemusement.

i was flipping between the channels until settling on abc just to watch diane. i don't know what was wrong with her but she looked and acted drunk, with the fluctuating voice and wild gestures. some of the funniest moments of the evening were when she addressed one of the panel gang and they would freeze and watch her in fear while she was speaking to them. except barbara walters, cuz she's not afraid of anything. then they got pulled from the air for about 1 hour and it went to local programming. wonder what really happened to her.

mitt was so stupid to pick the radical extremist paul ryan, he would have won if he chose anyone else who's milder

most people cheated by bam had decided to vote for whoever is bam's opponent, but they all gave up at the moment when paul ryan came out

"look at a friggin chart"

my doctor's office chart? my kids' growth chart? just any chart?

"a friggin chart", lucille.

thanks, truth. all clear now.

lucille: A little bit too much off-air intake before showtime.

lucille: You may remember that Barbara Walters and Diane were not always friendly.
Rivals of a sort.
They tried to lead/change public perception by appearing with each other on T.V. in the past.

Barbara still rules as the ultimate pro.

(Unless Mike Nichols was under the desk giving Diane tickles.)

Back in the old days, SNL would have dressed Belushi up as Diane and let him rip out a skit.

and the late, great Gilda would have appeared as Barbara, Wa-Waing her from the panel.

and youre a dope if you think repugnantcans are good for deficits and our stock market--look at a friggin chart

look at a chart of your continually low IQ--if you cant get the obvious reference to a chart of stock prices

lucille:
It's a friggin chart of stock prices, O.K.?!

Judging by Fox News, Republicans are a dying breed. All they seem to do is talk to each other trying to convince each other that they are right.

But nobody but they are listening.

stevejhx was under the desk giving Diane tickles!

"Judging by Fox News, Republicans are a dying breed."

not according to this, ahem, chart. you guys like charts, right?

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/11/07/cable-news-ratings-for-tuesday-november-6-2012/156487/

" You may remember that Barbara Walters and Diane were not always friendly.
Rivals of a sort.
They tried to lead/change public perception by appearing with each other on T.V. in the past."

babs was gloating!

"look at a chart of your continually low IQ"

bet you a binder of charts my iq is higher than yours

your junk's probably bigger than mine too!

my metaphorical junk is bigger than your literal junk, yes

lucille: Yep, she was gloating.
Diane's not going to make it long-term as Barbara Walters has with her dignity attached,
if she doesn't stop drinking at least a few hours before air-time.
The producer should have made her drink lots of coffee, walked her around outside in the cold air, slapped her
face into something appearing to be sober.

Would the network allow her to get into a car and drive in that condition?

"i mean mccain and condi couldnt have been more direct in the rnc convention speeches, that it was a travesty we dont have boots on the ground already in iran. we dodged a serious bullet last night!!"

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/08/first-on-cnn-iranian-jets-fire-on-u-s-drone/?hpt=hp_t3

like night into day

shoot, we shoulda invaded already! they just fired at one of our drones!!

damn let's get on it and send 100,000 of our young people over there NOW!

what's few more of our boys getting their nuts blown off? and we're flush with cash-- so let's GO

keep your neocons away from our young people, thank you--they fucked up enough lives

small acts of aggression will continue until they are emboldened to openly attack us interests. this war is happening.

I do agree with Lucille that the sh*t will hit.

I think the network will be keeping Diane on home soil from now on.

Lucille: Like that war we fought with Cuba - the one that triggered World War III against the Soviet Union? Oh, wait...

are you seriously comparing the ayatollah's messianic theocracy to the soviets?

The sad, sad thing about all this Iran war talk is that a minority of the population supports a theocracy or even a conservative Islamic state. Iran is no Egypt. Iranian youths and intellectuals are pro-West, and would not necessarily support the current gov't's agenda.

it is the brainless retards such as lucille in gop caused our lost

yeah, war war war!!! all the F you need is a war and andother war!!!

why the hell do you guys always hoping for a war? go F yourself! go have a war in your home instead of spreading it to the country and the world!

"The sad, sad thing about all this Iran war talk is that a minority of the population supports a theocracy or even a conservative Islamic state. Iran is no Egypt. Iranian youths and intellectuals are pro-West, and would not necessarily support the current gov't's agenda. "

i also know for a fact that the people who show up to the state ordered anti western demonstrations often do it because they are on government assistance and they get their food stamps after the rally is over. i have several persian friends, i understand what iran is like. that doesnt change anything. when governments fight civilians suffer, that's life. and their government wants a war with the us and israel. they are testing the waters now but they will become bolder. i believe that a way with iran is unavoidable at this point, they are provoking it. they want a war.

The problem with Iranian youth and intellectuals being pro-west is that when they rise up, they get (literally) shot down.
Or sent to prision.

The Soviet Union was, as we found out, a big inept threat. Non-working war apparatus.

Iran is a real threat when they have fully functioning nukes.

the soviet union was also primarily driven by a desire for power and influence. the cold war was essentially a game of chess with 2 rational opponents strategically moving their pieces in an effort to gain ground, their moves could be anticipated, countered, there was a logic to it. iran is a different animal, they are fighting a holy war.

Agree, lucille.
Some people don't get it, I guess.

>iran is a different animal, they are fighting a holy war.

Kind of reminds me of w67thstreet, a one trick pony with some crusade (oops, sorry shouldn't have used that word) against, well, just about everyone.

The capitalist spoke again today

Lucille: No, the ideologies and geopolitics are obviously very different.

The "war is inevitable" fatalism on the right, however - coupled with sneering contempt for policies of containment - is sadly familiar.

THE Ayatollah (as in Grand Ayatollah Khomeini) has been dead for 23 years. His successors are many things, but messianic probably ranks lower on the list than opportunistic.

The first step on Khomeini's "messianic" agenda was to undermine secular regimes like the Baathist state on his western border. That endeavor didn't go very well during his lifetime, but his old friends in Washington finished the job for him as a posthumous gift.

this exchange is a perfect example of the danger in not having a draft. the idea that we as a country have been at war for over 10 yrs but it doesn't affect anyone except the poor guys (and gals) who have to fight is a travesty. lets have a draft and then see who wants to send their children overseas to die.

Just over half this country voted for high unemployment, high inflation, massive debt,and high health insurance costs. It is really sad what is happening to America.

"doesn't affect anyone except the poor guys (and gals) who have to fight is a travesty."

im not sure you realize how condescending and insulting that sentiment is to the men and women of the entirely VOLUNTEER united states armed forces and their families, who choose to serve and are proud to serve.

"The "war is inevitable" fatalism on the right, however - coupled with sneering contempt for policies of containment - is sadly familiar."

im curious to read your understanding and opinion of iran's goals and motives. what do they want?

"THE Ayatollah (as in Grand Ayatollah Khomeini) has been dead for 23 years."

yes. i was referring to the islamist revolution he ushered in and his legacy which still dominates religious discourse in iran.

"He has declared that it is "clear that conflict and confrontation between" Islamic Republic of Iran and the U.S. "is something natural and unavoidable""

without cheating, which fatalistic right winger made this statement?

oh! i just learned something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei#Election_as_Leader_.26_title_of_.22Grand_Ayatollah.22

this one is an ayatollah, too

one last thing before dinner.

West81st
about 1 hour ago
"The first step on Khomeini's "messianic" agenda was to undermine secular regimes like the Baathist state on his western border."

"Tensions between Iran and Iraq were fuelled by Iran’s Shia Islamic revolution and Pan-Islamism in contrast to Iraq's Arab nationalism. Despite Iraq's goals of regaining the Shatt-al-Arab,[note 2] the Iraqi government seemed to initially welcome Iran’s 1978-1979 Islamic Revolution, which overthrew Iran’s Shah, who was seen as a common enemy.[6][23] Therefore, when in June 1979 the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini called on Iraqi Shias to overthrow the Ba'ath regime, it was received with considerable shock in Baghdad.[23] On 17 July 1979, despite Khomeini's call, the Iraqi President Saddam Hussein gave a speech praising the Iranian revolution, and called for an Iraqi-Iranian friendship based on non-interference in each other's internal affairs.[23]

When Khomeini ignored Hussein's overture and continued with a call for a Shia revolution in Iraq, the Iraqi regime was seriously alarmed.[23] >>>>>>>The new Islamic regime in Iran was regarded in Baghdad as an irrational, existential threat to the Ba'ath regime<<<<<<<<<<<<<<"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War

iran is fighting a holy war. they fighting it with everyone who is not like them, as holy warriors are wont to do.

and just a reminder,

"conflict and confrontation between" Islamic Republic of Iran and the U.S. "is something natural and unavoidable"

don't know of anyone was able to guess or not, but it was this guy who said it. and he's kind of a big deal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei#Election_as_Leader_.26_title_of_.22Grand_Ayatollah.22

so lucille?

you figure that all of the proud men and women of the volunteer army have other alternatives?

such as?

disgusting.

The suicide rate among the nation’s active-duty military personnel has spiked this year, eclipsing the number of troops dying in battle and on pace to set a record annual high since the start of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan more than a decade ago, the Pentagon said Friday.

Suicides have increased even as the United States military has withdrawn from Iraq and stepped up efforts to provide mental health, drug and alcohol, and financial counseling services.

The military said Friday that there had been 154 suicides among active-duty troops through Thursday, a rate of nearly one each day this year. The figures were first reported this week by The Associated Press.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War

iran is fighting a holy war. they are fighting it with anyone who is not like them, as holy warriors are wont to do.

and just a reminder,

" it is "clear that conflict and confrontation between" Islamic Republic of Iran and the U.S. "is something natural and unavoidable""

not sure if anyone guessed or not, but it was this guy who said it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei

"you figure that all of the proud men and women of the volunteer army have other alternatives?"

i repeat, this is an outrageously condescending and insulting sentiment. as far as the suicides, why do YOU think they rate is what it is?

could it be?

because they are involved in fighting a hopeless war against an enemy that is impossible to identify?

because they have served too many tours?

because no one in the country gives a shit about them or the war?

because the horror of what they have to deal with on a daily basis is impossible to reconcile with the blasé attitude of people like you?

there have always been wars and the men who fought in them have always had a hard time transitioning back into civilian society.

"hopeless war against an enemy that is impossible to identify?"

wtf are you talking about? they have effectively identified the enemy and they are winning the war. nothing else has happened on us soil.

"no one in the country gives a shit about them or the war?"

this statement, like your obscene implication about members of the military being good for nothing else, is a reflection of your elitist and ignorant point of view. do you even know anyone who has served?

>do you even know anyone who has served?

Wow, you asked that question an hour ago and still no response from columbiacounty.

think of it like forced deportation for poor uneducated young americans with little or no opportunity--honor them by not putting their lives at risk for idiotic objectives--like the wmd's bush was looking for under his desk--now it's the same shit with the iranians

america is wising up to all this garbage--rove, the neocons, trickle up, citizen's united--been there, done that--it sucked bad, and were just getting the mess cleaned up

Obama solves the immigration problem.
No one will want to come here anymore!!

hell yeah. i know people who served. people who were drafted. people who understand what you don't understand.

you are gross and disgusting.

but, of course, that's already been well established.

"who understand what you don't understand."

what exactly is it that you believe i fail to understand?

"i know people who served"

and are they the uneducated helpless losers with no options in life you describe in your posts?

"you are gross and disgusting."

youre dense and bitter

military = "forced deportation for poor uneducated young americans with little or no opportunity" ??????

why are military suicides increasing?

you fail to understand that if a democratic country fights a ten year war without any sacrifice on the part of 99% of its citizens, that leads to further self destructive behavior.

why don't you tell us about the wonderful options available to our volunteer army?

i am not in the least bitter. i am sad. this used to be a wonderful country.

"you fail to understand that if a democratic country fights a ten year war without any sacrifice on the part of 99% of its citizens, that leads to further self destructive behavior."

do you understand that this is not a war the us is initiating with iran, but the other way around? i think this is a form of defense mechanism, this need to define global discourse in ways that put the us in control. i think it makes simple minded people feel safe.

CC doesn't make sense. If there was a draft more poor would serve! Rich kids would get out of service. That's exactly what happened when we had a draft. And yes I know I served my country. I am a VFW!

what about the military suicides? do you dispute this increase? do you have a reason for it?

do you realize how ridiculous you sound? substitute Soviet Union for Iran and add in the domino theory. what the hell do you think iran will do if we don't go to war? what is your worst nightmare?

are you willing to go fight in iran? will you send your kids?

"why are military suicides increasing?"

i think it has to do with the economy, unemployment. returning soldiers are coming home to foreclosed homes, unemployed spouses, the jobs they had in the past have disappeared, etc

so...military suicides by the serving military have to do with unemployment? that's ridiculous. they're employed. they are in the military.

try again.

so...brooks...where and when did you serve?

>i am not in the least bitter. i am sad.

poor poor columbiacounty. poor sad pathetic columbiacounty. So sad.

By the way, I'm watching MSNBC, and with the exception of skinny Al Sharpton who seems to have remade himself on the network as caring for the white working and middle class, all of the show commentators are white - Chris Matthews, Ed Schultz, Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, Chris Hayes (if you run that computer program that combines a picture of a man and a woman and input Keith and Rachel, Chris pops out - it's uncanny), Lawrence O'Donnell. I wonder, if Schultz got fired from MSNBC, and Fox said they'd pay him $5-$10MM per year, would Schultz suddenly be a Republican (again)?

"substitute Soviet Union for Iran"

why?

how old are you?

do you actually not understand that there was a time that the majority of the US firmly believed that the soviet union would do anything to wipe out the US?

but more importantly, tell us more about military suicide by serving military.

"CC doesn't make sense"

i find that if you only read every fourth word in his posts it is possible to extract some semblance of a coherent point.

still waiting on your theory of military suicide. did i miss it?

"how old are you?"

a lot younger than you, cc. a lot.

"do you actually not understand that there was a time that the majority of the US firmly believed that the soviet union would do anything to wipe out the US?"

if the ussr wanted a nuclear way they would have been a nuclear war.

"still waiting on your theory of military suicide. did i miss it?"

are you asking me about active duty suicides or returning soldiers suicides?

do you ever deal in facts? you have no idea how old i am so how could you possibly know that you are younger?

still waiting on the military suicide. but that would involve facts, so i don't expect a response.

However, there is a growing threat confronting our brave military men and women. Suicide rates among service members, which have reached a 30-year high, have become a significant public health crisis that must be addressed. While military service has historically been protective against suicide among active duty personnel, the dramatic rise in the suicide rate since 2005 among this population group indicates that this is no longer the case. On average, one suicide a day occurs in the military, and the number of service members who took their lives this year has surpassed the number killed in combat. There has been an 18 percent increase in suicide among active duty military members over the past year alone. Among men in the general population ages 17-60, suicide represents 7 percent of deaths but 20 percent of deaths among men of this age in the military.

i have a rough idea of how old you are. and i am much younger. plus you just sound old.

how could you know how old i am? you don't.

why is it somehow better that you're younger. there are two choices in life: get older or....

what does sounding old mean? is that some kind of insult?

still waiting on the military suicide issue.

are you suggesting that the military suicides should influence american foreign policy?

also, plagiarizing is not cool. you should cite your source, cuz you did not write that

Attack/bombers desert storm

let me repeat. what do you think accounts for the increase in suicide amongst the serving military? i assume we can agree that unemployment is not the answer.

so brooks you served in attack bomber in desert storm? what was your position?

how can i know this? i told why i think the returning soldiers are killing themselves. i don't know why active duty soldiers are doing it. im sure there is a number of reasons. but are you seriously suggesting that this should influence foreign policy?