Future of Yorkville?

1. the real issue with the garbage facility may prove to be traffic, not odor
2. current talk if that 500 garbage trucks a day will be driving to it
3. there will undoubtedly be accidents involving pedestrians because of the area's population density
4. if those accidents kill children the facility might be shut down

Yorkville spans a wide scope - your best bet would be further south and west of 91st and FDR. I'd think the 2nd ave subway would be a huge plus for the entire area, outweighing the station that's located in a relatively remote part of Yorkville, and would be easier to shut down than an entire subway line.

I agree that the benefits of the 2nd Avenue line will be felt throughout the neighborhood, while the negative effects of the Waste Station will only affect those properties north of 90th. The impacts won't be the same depending on the location of the properties.

As per a couple of replies, I think it depends on location. If you're close to 2nd in the 80s, the subway could be a 10%+ with little to any negative associated with the waste transfer. If you're on 91st and York then it may be 15-20% down because of the waste transfer and little to no benefit because of the 2nd avenue subway.

Has there be any impact analysis done to model how the trucks will get to and from 91st and York? Is it actaully 500 trucks a day entering? If it is, then that's one truck entering every 3 minutes and one truck leaving every 3 minutes on average every day. But how do they get to 91st and York? North or South? If they come from the south do they come up 1st avenue and turn at 90th and then turn again at 90st and York? Do all departing trucks head across 91st as far as 1st or 2nd avenue? The impact could actually be pretty significant for certain locations? Does 90th and 1st get hit badly but if you're at 88th between York and 1st, you see nothing? Will the trucks utilize York heavily or will they utilize the bigger 1st and 2nd avenues?

if you are buying near first or second avenue, south to 90th street, great great investment.
Whole foods are thinking the same. They will open in 2014 on 87 and third...
http://commercialobserver.com/2012/10/1551-third-avenue/
second avenue subway will open on 2016...

the subway is a definite but the dump isnt. most likely it will go in, but the people of yorkville wont go down without a fight!

Right now the RE market is hot in Yorkville! I'm aware of multiple bidding wars for apartments.

I live there and am not too concerned about garbage trucks - there are a thousand trucks ANYWAY in every densely populated neighborhood. I think the trucks will affect that corner of East End Ave/York where they may line up to transfer their garbage, but a few blocks away will be fine.

Love Fairway and other shopping on 86th Street. Love Jamba Juice, Pinkberry and Starbucks. Vibrant neighborhood with some nightlife, plus great schools. And even a Whole Foods in a year or so...

>Love Jamba Juice, Pinkberry and Starbucks.

Wow

"Jamba Juice, Pinkberry and Starbucks. Vibrant neighborhood." Great that Jamba Juice, Pinkberry and Starbucks make a neighborhood vibrant.

and don't forget, there used to be a waste transfer station in that area no so long ago

nnj ...of the same size and scale?

I'm generally positive on the location more broadly defined. I live on York. However, I'm just not too keen to move to York between 90th and 92nd. All other things being equal, if it goes ahead, this will not be good for valuations in this immmediate neighborhood.

I'm still keen to understand how many trucks are due each day and how they will get to this location. Will they predominantly come from the south? Will they come up 1st, 3rd or York?

Daisy.... I agree that bidding wars are occuring. I'm pretty sure it's not the Jamba Juice, Pinkberry and Starbucks. Aside from Fairway, I'm pretty sure that whole 86th street shopping area is a net negative. 3rd avenue in the 70s and 80s is a different story.

Where the garbage transfer facility will be located is really at the edge of Yorkville. There is a small section nearby with nice rental buildings, on York Avenue in the low 90's near Asphalt Green which could very well be affected by the garbage facility. What's nice about that area of York, besides Carl Schrz Park, is that it is much less congested than are Second and Third Avenues in the high 80's/low 90's, but York is currently far from the subway, the 6 line. 86th Street seems to be a little nicer than it used to be- slightly more upscale stores and places to eat such as Shake Shack and Two Little Red Hens (off 86th). Whole Foods on East 87th and 3rd is a very positive sign, near Carnegie Hill with different product than Fairway. Living on Second Avenue now is a big mess now with noise and construction. Yorkville is a busy area, full of lots of young people as well as professionals of all ages. There are some luxury buildings mixed in more middle income buildings.

Any thoughts on negative effects of garbage dump on 83rd and York? Thanks

I think there may be marginal increased traffic here. Technically, trucks are only meant to use major routes until they get close to the facility. i.e. 1st Ave, 2nd Ave and 86th, 96th street. Overall, I think the impact will be close to zero.

83rd and York, too far from the MTS to be meaningful with the unknown exception of smell. For most of Yorkville not directly across from the new facility, the only real mystery is the midsummer olfactory experience.

I have lived in the E 80's for over 20 years, and have watched the area gradually become a much nicer place to live . Yes there are the annoying chains and crowds on 86th, and still too many bars that attract boozies from the 'burbs, but I think the businesses and people that are moving in are getting more interesting. For many years I wanted to be anywhere other than the UES, but now that I am looking to buy I am seriously considering staying in my 'hood. I see many good values here compared to other parts of manhattan and brooklyn, and I really do expect prices to rise here in the future. Being close to Central Park and the 92nd Street Y is wonderful. The biggest problem is the overcrowded Lexington line, and I really hope it will improve with the first phase of the 2nd Ave Subway. The bike lane on 1st Ave was a big improvement, that avenue feels like a neighborhood now not a highway. The trend I see all around is the area getting more appealing. I just may bet on it myself.

"The bike lane on 1st Ave was a big improvement, that avenue feels like a neighborhood now not a highway."

All I see are traffic jams on First Avenue since the introduction of the sparsely used bike lane.

once the MTS is fully built, you will see lots of garbage trucks around the area.

"The bike lane on 1st Ave was a big improvement, that avenue feels like a neighborhood now not a highway."
All I see are traffic jams on First Avenue since the introduction of the sparsely used bike lane.

100 accurate! These spandex monkeys cause more pollution by creating bike lanes, increasing traffic jams which in turn more pollution.

I'm no fan of the bicyclists, but traffic jams keep motorists (including me) from choosing to drive in those areas, so the more lanes they take away, and the fewer lanes available for traffic jams, the better all around.

That goes for all of Manhattan, but given that Yorkville will already have the heavy odors of rotting garbage on a 24/7 basis, traffic jams consisting of fewer cars offer a sort of consolation prize to the neighborhood.

I bike that lane everyday to work. Really love that lane. Mayor Mike should have been able to implement congestion pricing as well.

" These spandex monkeys"

Love that description! LOL!!

"but traffic jams keep motorists (including me) from choosing to drive in those areas,"

I see no evidence of that, just bigger traffic jams.

Especially 1st Ave is a parallel road to FDR and by adding bike lanes, congestion is worse

>but traffic jams keep motorists (including me) from choosing to drive in those areas, so the more lanes they take away, and the fewer lanes available for traffic jams, the better all around.

huh?

Bloomsday
I bike that lane everyday to work. Really love that lane. Mayor Mike should have been able to implement congestion pricing as well.
Does this mean that you work uptown or are you one of those cyclists who think one way bike lanes are just a suggestion. It is very dangerous for pedestrians who are looking in the direction of traffic and not expecting bikes to be going against the traffic flow.

Bicyclists - what a joke.

Love the way I turned this into a bike discussion ;-)

And the troll still hasn't told its joke about ladies and fishes and bicycles and men.