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Lender requests appraisal 6 months after closing?

Started by sammy300
over 12 years ago
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Is this an odd request? I closed on my co-op back in January & today my lender tells me that their investor is not comfortable with the appraiser who did the appraisal & wants a "certified" appraiser to re- do it before purchasing the loan. In theory, I am ok with it, but can this affect my loan? I'm thinking, "No", since the horse is already out of the barn...or something like that... Spoke to a couple of lawyers who said they've never heard of it. Does anyone here have a view? similar experience? Etc?
Response by Bernie123
over 12 years ago
Posts: 281
Member since: Apr 2009

Three months after I closed my lender requested proof of homeowners insurance! I think both of these situations are goof ups. Not a lawyer but I am an underwriter & I cannot possibly see how this could affect the terms of the already executed loan.

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Response by CondoPresident
over 12 years ago
Posts: 133
Member since: Nov 2010

this is a secondary market market issue and should not affect your ownership or any terms of your note. for whatever reason they are having trouble selling/packaging the loan (probably to FNMA or FRE or it's a portfolio loan held on the books of the bank to which your originator is selling the loan). there are countless loans on the secondary market that are the subject of appraisal issues or other representation and warranties made by the originators/underwriters to the purchasers of the end-securities (of which your loan is a apart).

https://www.fanniemae.com/content/eligibility_information/coop-share-loan-documentation-requirements.pdf

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Response by streetsmart
over 12 years ago
Posts: 883
Member since: Apr 2009

I've been a mortgage broker and real estate broker for over 25 years and never heard of this.

It's one thing to request proof of homeowners insurance, but another to request that someone come to your home for an appraisal.

I would review my closing docs to see if there was any provision for this, and review my note.

I will see if I can talk to some bankers about this and get back.

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Response by Consigliere
over 12 years ago
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Member since: Jul 2011

This probably has to do with secondary market sales like the CondoPresident states.

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Response by Guywithcat
over 12 years ago
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Member since: Apr 2011

you should call the new York times, this is a great -and ridiculous-- story. too bad you need to deal with these folks

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Response by Guywithcat
over 12 years ago
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you should write back to the bank, and tell them a few journalists have asked to be involved in this process from beginning to end. And the person reaching out to you would be "well advised" to speak to folks in his corporate comm dept. that'll get em thinking

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Response by greensdale
over 12 years ago
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>you should write back to the bank, and tell them a few journalists have asked to be involved in this process from beginning to end. And the person reaching out to you would be "well advised" to speak to folks in his corporate comm dept. that'll get em thinking

haha, guywithcat is the "guy" who made up the big false story of how he won punitive damages in Small Claims Court against a loud neighbor.

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Response by Riversider
over 12 years ago
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Member since: Apr 2009

Sounds like the purchaser of the loan wants a better or second estimate to determine if LTV is as advertised. It should not affect you. I'd simply contact your lawyer on this and ascertain your compliance requirements. The purchaser of the loan is just kicking the tires to make sure the under-writing is as advertised.

Pre-2008 many loans were sold and the purchaser got loans which were not under-written according to the advertised guide-lines. Either they were "exception loans", the fico score was thin and not fat, and the appraisal method was not up to snuff, could have been an AVM, BPO, or the appraiser had a relationship with the mortgage lender. I guess fool me once versus twice is the apt expression here.

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Response by sammy300
over 12 years ago
Posts: 208
Member since: Mar 2012

Thanks everyone. As someone extremely familiar with Securitization, I totally understand that this is a secondary mkt issue. My only concern is whether it can affect my loan. Also, what if the investor wants to fully re-underwrite the loan? There's no way I'm putting all that documentation together...Again!

PLUS-I am actually in the middle of a gut renovation right now, so the place looks like it was totally decimated. Wondering if I should give the lender a taste of some seriously messed up medicine & have the guy come in & do the appraisal, as is: no kitchen, no bath, huge holes in exterior walls, where ACs used to be, floors & radiators ripped out, all electric & plumbing exposed...that should make the loan even more desirable!

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Response by greensdale
over 12 years ago
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>Thanks everyone. As someone extremely familiar with Securitization,

So basically you are responsible for the financial mess we were/are in.

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Response by inonada
over 12 years ago
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Member since: Oct 2008

You should:

1) Have the appraiser come and see the place in decimated condition.

2) Offer to buy back the loan at a 20% haircut.

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Response by Eric_14
over 12 years ago
Posts: 93
Member since: Sep 2011

Good ideas. If you're not willing to go that far, you should certainly charge for the time and inconvenience. We don't know what happened here, but it seems that someone cut some corners. I bet they didn't share the savings with you.

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Response by ab_11218
over 12 years ago
Posts: 2017
Member since: May 2009

sammy, be very careful if your place is in the condition that you're describing. there are typically clauses in mortgages that state that you will be living there within 60 days. the only way not to have that is if you got a construction loan, which doesn't seem to be the case. once the appraiser comes through, you can end up having your loan called for non compliance.

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Response by sammy300
over 12 years ago
Posts: 208
Member since: Mar 2012

Thanks, ab_11218. Yes, that is one of my concerns.

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Response by sammy300
over 12 years ago
Posts: 208
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@Greensdale/Huntersburg or whatever it is you're calling yourself today, thanks for the absolutely ignorant & irrelevant comment.

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