Yorkville or Soha

i say go for south harlem condo unless the coop has a very tolerant board. Plus the SoHa space is bigger and has outdoor space.

What do you mean by tolerant board? No sublets allowed except for distress...

yes, i would never buy in a place that could dictate who/when i rent/sublet or sell to. I value flexibility

Yorkville, here are the reasons:

-Carl Schultz park, one of the most beautiful area in the city
-Great Schools
-Tons of family
-Fairway and Whole foods(opening in about a year)
-Second avenue subway will go up to 96th street, not above

Yorkville will also appreciate because it is near the really hot East Harlem.

Pass on both. The garbage dump is going to be a killer on both SoHa and Yorkville.

How on Earth is a garbage transfer station on the East River at East 91st Street going to affect a neighborhood north of 110th and west of 5th Ave?

depends. in SOHA you still need to deal with a lot of crappy neighbors that do things such as eat chicken while walking and leaving the bones on the sidewalk...

yep. many of those from french africa don't even have the education to put the bones on the many trash cans available. they stay talking in the sidewalks when they are done praying at their mosques blocking the whole thing and wouldn't move even if they see you coming walking. i've seen none of this type of behavior in 80s and York.

> -Second avenue subway will go up to 96th street, not above

interesting! why is that?

"> -Second avenue subway will go up to 96th street, not above

interesting! why is that? "

Phase 2 (125th St. to 96th St.) No funding commitments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Avenue_Subway

> Phase 2 (125th St. to 96th St.) No funding commitments.

interesting! i highly doubt the other phases will be completed. it coincides with massive pension debts coming due thanks to the boomers retiring.

the buildings from 96th-125th seem so fragile and in such bad condition that it might be a pain to do underground construction in a safe way.

phase 1 by itself will have a huge impact on Yorkville, see new Q line the map:

http://www.mta.info/capconstr/sas/images/sas_map_lg.gif

So it means that Astoria will be left with only the N line?

why are the transfers in 14th St and Houston under evaluation? seem like a no-brainer given how short they are. 42nd is a different story

what about the waster transfer on 91st? Coop is up in the 80s will that affect the value or will it offsetted by the subway.so value just wont go up?

this is what i have found "An additional two-track connection is planned between the line towards Lower Manhattan (around 62nd Street) and the IND 63rd Street Line towards Queens; "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Avenue_Subway

> what about the waster transfer on 91st? Coop is up in the 80s will that affect the value or will it offsetted by the subway.so value just wont go up?

rent for 1 year, see if you like the area before committing. by then, the waste transfer will be completed. leave your landlord to swallow that risk. nobody knows how well/bad the area will smell.

as for the subway, imho mid 2017 (what they are saying now) might be optimistic. new mayor, boomers retiring, cost of these projects always goes up... what's priced in at this level is what's going to be priced in 1 year from now.

Depending on the exact spot in SOHA I would buy here. The appreciation in the near future will be excellent both for resale and rental income.

> Depending on the exact spot in SOHA I would buy here. The appreciation in the near future will be excellent both for resale and rental income.

Seems you guys are upbeat about NYC's future. When I think about our candidates for mayor... mmm not so sure!

I'm voting for Bill Thompson.

The area around 97/98 and lex and park has become pretty hipsterish.

> The area around 97/98 and lex and park has become pretty hipsterish.

is that bearish or bullish? most hipsters seem permanent renters more than buyers.

> I'm voting for Bill Thompson.

so far, he seems one of the 2 strongest candidates. the other one is Bill de Blasio, the only with formal training on Public Policy (SIPA, Columbia University), also NYU graduate. he sends his 2 kids to a public school.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_de_Blasio

no way is the second ave. subway priced into Yorkville already. know one has any idea what the true effect will be until trains start running and commuters adjust their routes accordingly.

do you think the waste tranfer station is priced into yorkville now?

no

Garbage dump having an impact on York and East End as I see prices a bit depressed compared to the surrounding area. I live in the area and will be leaving before the trucks arrive (up to 500 a day, 6 days a week). There are already a lot of trucks on 1st and 2nd as they are truck routes in/out of Manhattan, so just imagine the impact of all the garbage from Manhattan converging in this small area. Spoke to someone who lived here when the dump was open and he said the smell was terrible in the summer, and there would line ups of trucks. I would not buy around the surrounding area, but I think west of 3rd would be fine.

Don't vote for Quinn nor Bill de blasio, both are for the waste transfer station. Thompson is against

Now that Weiner has imploded again, I would think Quinn would have a straight shot to the mayoralty barring a screw up on her part. Which would mean the WTS is a done deal. I don't think it is fully priced in yet, and that there will be an additional drop when people are sure it is happening, and move from the area for good.

> Don't vote for Quinn nor Bill de blasio, both are for the waste transfer station. Thompson is against

move on. i don't know anybody who is not in favor of the waste transfer station. Manhattan needs to deal with its trash, can't be sending it to Bronx like it used to.

>Manhattan needs to deal with its trash, can't be sending it to Bronx like it used to.

Manhattan deals with its trash by sending it out to places with lower property values within the confines of transportation costs. That's economically sensible. When you weigh all the factors, the Bronx is an ideal place.

> >Manhattan needs to deal with its trash, can't be sending it to Bronx like it used to.
> Manhattan deals with its trash by sending it out to places with lower property values within the confines of transportation costs. That's economically sensible. When you weigh all the factors, the Bronx is an ideal place.

everybody thinks it makes sense. maybe some homeowners in yorkville don't get it. you are getting a subway paid by others, so at least handle the trash in exchange.

>everybody thinks it makes sense. maybe some homeowners in yorkville don't get it. you are getting a subway paid by others, so at least handle the trash in exchange.

Not sure what one has to do with the other.

How does it make sense to build a new facility and run trucks through a purely residential neighborhood when you have an already existing facility sitting idle on west 125th st. in a purely commercial area ? oh right...because its all about being fair and equitable...lets just forget common sense.

West 125th is not purely coomercial.

>not purely coomercial.

agree

Marcom, u got it right, it's not really about being fair and equitable it's exactly the other way around. It's not the right spot, it is a purely residential neighborhood

What about downtown, where Quinn live...

> It's not the right spot

??? you are taking this WAY too personal. why is that?

>everybody thinks it makes sense. maybe some homeowners in yorkville don't get it. you are getting a subway paid by others, so at least handle the trash in exchange.
> Not sure what one has to do with the other.

of course you don't. you don't always get the good nice stuff that benefits you. the good comes with the bad. some disgusting people would like Bronx not to enjoy any new infrastructure investment and have all the garbage and crap. those who feel this way should move out of the city already.

I think you need to relax. it is not the right spot because it is near a sport center called asphalt green where 30,000 kids are going on a daily basis during the school year, kids from ALL OVER THE CITY.
The proposed dump will be located next to DeKovats Playground, which was specifically designed for children under age five, as well as Asphalt Green's playing field.

Having a garbage dump in the heart of Asphalt Green's facility is not the right spot. It doesn't make sense.

the 125th street facility is what 98% commercial ? The proposed UES site is 99% residential . Just looking at the economics of it...its better to use what is already existing than build something new..especially considering how constrained budgets are these days...but again...it all comes down to "fair and equitable"...forget common sense...its like giving a job to the unqualified candidate just because you need to fill a quota.

that wasn't written well...giving a job to a candidate for any other reason than qualifications

marco can only talk position

he's long a studio in upper yorkville

> I think you need to relax. it is not the right spot because it is near a sport center called asphalt green where 30,000 kids are going on a daily basis during the school year, kids from ALL OVER THE CITY.

I think you need to give being less self-serving a try.

the sport center that is in Harlem managed by the state handles millions of visitors and it's on top of a sewage treatment facility.

give it a rest, it's great that Manhattan handles it's own trash instead of sending it to Bronx and if you don't like it, suggest to move it a few blocks south, never north. the northern part has the lower quality of services already while it raises more kids, there's need for balance.

> the 125th street facility is what 98% commercial ?

are you kidding? in that area there's a ton of traffic due to the bridge. why don't you guys suggest an alternative place on the UES south of 96th?

> it all comes down to "fair and equitable"...forget common sense

fair and equitable IS common sense. one of the keys here is to lower the asthma rates of the kids in Bronx, an area that is raising WAY more many kids than the UES.

"the 125th street facility is what 98% commercial "

Why do you keep saying this? There must thousands of people within a two block radius. There are several large high rises there, some market rate. There are walk ups and brownstones on one block in either direction. Also 125th has also been re-zoned to allow tall high rises for the entire length, so there will be even more residential high rises in the coming years.

ok...so go to google satellite and zoom down on the intersetcion of 125 / 130 and 12th ave...they all come together there. you can even see the existing facility on 130th street. it's 100% commercial.

Yes and as i said within two blocks there are ton of high rises.

Even 1 block away. You need to zoom in again.

Those are residential buildings with the Y-shape, some market rate. A BLOCK away.

so one building a block away, or right in the middle of 20 buildings...riiight. makes sense.

bad trade--you should have done more thorough research on the upper/east yorkville neighborhood prior to buying, if this is such a concern of yours.

it's been in the works for many years.

in the midst of 20 building? whaa? it will be sited on the riverfront, no?

same as the riverbank facility uptown.

uptown west that is

rats!

"so one building a block away"

Not ONE. There are about 40 residential buildings within a two block semi-circle of that place. You are delusional.

I suppose since poor people live there they do not count. But you are flat out lying marco. Those are almost all residential buildings you are looking at on Google Earth.

I'm pretty sure that that area of Harlem (assuming you are not being intentionally misleading, marco that would be you) is more densely residential than the area near Asphalt Green. It is also much poorer.

The whole thing has been much exaggerated. E.g., calling it a "garbage dump."

If anyone's all that worried about the effects of traffic, they might look to the adjoining FDR and whine about shutting that down. The 1.5 trucks per minute on the driveway, immediately dispersed to surrounding streets, will be nothing compared to the normal traffic on any avenue.

The john's moving trucks that use first avenue as their parking spots probably caused more traffic problems.

"I'm pretty sure that that area of Harlem...is more densely residential than the area near Asphalt Green. It is also much poorer."

My point exactly. Anyone who has walked around the west end of 125th knows this.

This all reminds me of the Tribeca celebrities trying to not have a sewage treatment plant (???was that it???) not long ago. Total, typical, liberal hypocritical NIMBYSM. Put it where the poor people live, not near me.

No, put it where the land values are lower

That was the garbage-truck garage across from http://streeteasy.com/nyc/building/the-urban-glass-house

What your missing is that the waster transfer station is not simpley being "reopened". It has to be rebuilt to around 7 stories high to deal with the containers.

The garbage must be dumped from the trucks into the equivalent of cargo containers. The containers will stored at the site until a scheduled pick up is made by the barges. The schedule has not been set. They could wait on the barges until they couldn't hold any more containers.

There ARE numerous apartment houses within a 2 block radius of this site. If you expand to a 3 block radius, 3 schools are in the process of building classrooms/gyms on the sites of old commercial buildings between 2nd and York Aves. in the 90s.

How many schools are in harlem? The Bronx?
Jelj13, you seem to be trying to incite fear. They COULD but you have no proof that they will. Unlike poorer neighborhoods the residents here are likely to make a stink (pun intended) if things don't run perfectly.
Brearley and Chaplin will survive, as will the precious snowflakes who attend them. And those tunics would likely remain extant in a nuclear holocaust.

AR, are you in Europe right now? You've been posting at off-hours.

Why are these your only two choices?

Good question.

NYCMatt+Jason10006

> How many schools are in harlem? The Bronx?

of good quality? not enough of course. and there are way more many kids than in the area where the garbage transfer station is going to be.

> This all reminds me of the Tribeca celebrities trying to not have a sewage treatment plant (???was that it???) not long ago. Total, typical, liberal hypocritical NIMBYSM. Put it where the poor people live, not near me.

EXACTLY!!! these types belong on Texas, why don't they move already?

> No, put it where the land values are lower

??? preserving high land values to the detriment of others is NOT a goal when it comes to implementing optimal public policy. WTF is wrong with you?? don't you understand that making high home prices a goal is just a transfer of wealth that's not even meritocratic?

>??? preserving high land values to the detriment of others is NOT a goal when it comes to implementing optimal public policy.

You are being foolish. Taking your logic a step or two further, we ought to use Central Park as a dump, and the median on park avenue.

>WTF is wrong with you??

Nothing

>don't you understand that making high home prices a goal is just a transfer of wealth that's not even meritocratic?

Transfer of wealth? No, I'm talking about not deatroying value for some mediocre average social policy that leaves the entirety of society worse off.

Right. That is the government "picking winners and losers." Government policy deciding who has higher and lower home prices. Bull shit in other words.

Wrong

How thoughtful.

Wrong

useless.

I agree with C0lumbiaC0unty.

Another reason why it doesn't make sense: The site is located in flood "Zone A". Not the right spot.

And regarding :"air and equitable IS common sense. one of the keys here is to lower the asthma rates of the kids in Bronx, an area that is raising WAY more many kids than the UES."

Two wrongs don't make a right..you don't move asthma from one population to another...or for you it's ok that Asphalt green kids will have asthma, as long it's not Bronx kids, right??

My simple logic is you don't put chemicals near children, not in Bronx, not in UES or anywhere else where they live and play.

> My simple logic is you don't put chemicals near children, not in Bronx, not in UES or anywhere else where they live and play.

oh well, just keep the garbage where it is then when it comes to the neighborhoods unwilling to deal with it.

i mean why bother picking it up?

The Harlem site is in a flood zone too.

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i mean why bother picking it up?

That's right notadmin. As you are proposing Yorkville because it is "fair" and the "people of Yorkville" should be responsible for their own trash, well, why should it be in the proposed portion of Yorkville, why are the people of southwestern Yorkville getting a free ride? There should be a "marine transfer station" in each corner of Yorkville, and one in the middle of Yorkville too so those people don't get off easy. Or better yet, as you now suggest, "why bother picking it up?," everyone can just keep their own garbage in their kitchen.

Anyone ever read Five Points? Maybe we should just toss it in the streets.

HB, that was one of the more poorly reasoned arguments I've seen on this board, and I'm including mutombo's contributions.

Are you including your own contributions? And I mean YOUR own, not your husband's repurposed.

You get increasingly stupid. Over and over again. And over again.

Hi C0C0, how was your weekend?

Do you brag to your friends about your accomplishments?

Once in a while, just part of a healthy back and forth.

How often is that?

And who are you kidding?

Yes

Notadmin, No, I am not for keeping it where it is, I am for not making the same mistake twice and I am all for finding another location to ease the load on the Bronx site. A solution must exist which do not entail another residential neighborhood.