Can you believe it? Not even allowed DOORMATS!

Thanks. We've been warned about this building in the past by c0lumbiac0unty"

Frustrating I'm sure, especially when it reverses longstanding practice, but it does follow the letter of the law which is intended to eliminate hazards (combustibles, obstacles to egress, etc.) from hallways.

uptown_joe...even on crutches, a doormat is not exactly Mount Everest...

I hear you, but that's not the point. The management company is working to comply with NYC rules.

uptown_joe
Totally incorrect: See http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/html/firecode/faq.shtml. Paintings, consoles, etc. and doormats that aren't huge are fine.

This has nothing to do, in fact, with fire hazards.

Door mats are against fire code.
Though not Mt Everest, when a fire marshal comes for inspection and points it out for removal, it becomes Mt Everest on his next visit.

not exactly: "However, in the exercise of its enforcement
discretion, the Fire Department will issue violations and direct removal of doormats
ONLY where their size, materials or location present an UNDUE fire safety or tripping
hazard. Oversize doormats may be deemed to be area rugs, which, as set forth above,
must be noncombustible, or flame proofed by an approved method."

Capitalization mine.

Yes, a building's board can vote to ban them all because they don't want a super running around, policing and keeping track of all the sizes, piles, construction, and materials of everybody's individual mats.

Have you ever personally dealt with a fire marshal? They can be real assh&les.
When they are annoyed by your mats, they look closer at everything else and you end up with with a bigger fine for something else.

My mat works just fine on the inside of my apartment. It's not the end of the world.

"No chairs, no small tables, now no doormats."

You expect everyone to have chairs and small tables in the public hallways?

Yes I can believe it. Who wants stupid ugly doormats in hallways. And do they all have to be moved when cleaning the hallway. And who pays when someone trips on your mat in the public space? And who polices the slippery slope when people start leaving their slush-overed boots in the hallway. No kidding there are no doormats.

hall clutter is inconsiderate of neighbor's who might just not have such amazing taste as you.

i dont beef about strollers, just cuz i'm a nice guy--but rugs, chairs, paintings? no--just leave the hall uniform.

tell me something bad about this building. sounds like it's well run, or like they're trying to turn a mess around.

neighbors--doye

No doormats, indeed. And no drying of umbrellas in common spaces, either, please. It's totally ridiculous.

>You expect everyone to have chairs and small tables in the public hallways?

LOL, I assumed they were removed from the LOBBY.
Please tell me you and your neighbors didnt have these in the hallway......
Is this the Carter apartments?
Are you guys slingin'?

"I tried to kick... but that sh!t just be callin' me man, it be callin' me, man... I just got to go to it" Pooky

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Doormats, umbrellas, wet shoes, strollers, bicycles, shopping carts, etc. are not permitted in the common hallways in apartments in NYC. Part of this is the fire code for the city and part of this is the requirements of the fire insurance company that covers your building. Another aspect is that you rent or own your apartment only; the hallways are not part of your ownership/rental.

I know of 3 coop/condos that send out notices periodically about these regulations with the consequences for violators. Generally, the building staff collects items left in the hallway on a daily basis and store them for a short time. You have set hours to reclaim your items and after so many days they're discarded. Fines are often given to repeat offenders. Some buildings just discard the items for residents who refuse to comply.

This is standard NYC fire code. Along with no decorations on doors. Not all buildings enforce the code fully but your LL is entirely within his/her rights to do so.

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neighbors--doye

What is doye?

No strollers or rollators (sorry c0lumbiac0unty, no exceptions).
Drying umbrellas and boots ok.
Only basic thin rubber-backed standard sized black/dark grey welcome mats.
No dogs in the hallway either.

My building has a simple policy for dealing with this.

For anything - and I do mean anything left in the hallway (doormats, umbrellas, wet shoes, strollers, bicycles, shopping carts, etc.) a first time infraction (usually for a new shareholder who's unfamiliar with building policies) simply earns a quick, polite review that it's a no-no.

Second (and repeated) infractions results in stuff left in the hallway simply being taken immediately and junked, end of story....

http://streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/14059-98-riverside-drive

>Second (and repeated) infractions results in stuff left in the hallway simply being taken immediately and junked, end of story....

What if you chain it to the hallway?

fieldschester: iiinnnttteeerreeessstttiinnnggg....

Hmmmmm…..seems to be reasonable. Many people in our building have mats, but I'm not sure what good they do. When it rains or snows, the super puts out huge mats in the lobby and elevators. No need for individual.

put the matt inside your apartment, where it belongs. this way the porter can clean the floors the way he is suppose to rather than having to lift 100 doormats to do his job right.

Totes magotes

Are mother-in laws permitted in the hallways ?

>Are mother-in laws permitted in the hallways ?

c0lumbiac0unty?

Only if you want to rebrand them as Kvetching Korridors...

...& heaven forbid one of them should ever trip over something: Think Ethel Merman in "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World".

I was Chairman of our Architectural Control Committee (strains of NYCMatt???? -- sorry!). We put a lot of thought and thousands of dollars into our lobby and hallway renovation plans. I wouldn't want to see that lovely vision marred by cheap, ugly matts in the hallways. Wipe your feet in your own foyer, sayeth I!!!!!!!

Chairman of the Architectural Control Committee!

http://streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/33468

By the way, have a lovely Christmas (or, sorry if I'm politically incorrect, have a lovely HOLIDAY, in case you happen to be a Jew).

My favorite plant is the wandering jew. It just gets into everything and is impossible to kill.................... Sound like anyone we know???????

Love to you all.

P.S. Does anyone know anything about 10 Mitchell Place? I saw an unbelievable pre-war studio at an outstanding price. It could actually be converted to a one-bedroom because of the wealth of windows on both sides. I could eve afford it. It's way over by the East River. Is that cool? Or pleasant? Remember I'm old and don't need to see all the cute Chelsea hags or even the ones who have migrated over to Hells Kitchen.

Ab11218 said it right.

Lots of buildings say no to doormats in the hallway. It's common space and not yours. Sorry but you don't get to keep doormats, strollers, and wet boots in front of your door, empty soda bottles or leave your garbage hanging by the door. Instead of being upset with the managing agent you should thank them.

Well said!

Uwsladu, Keep your uglies inside. If you do not want it inside your apartment, others should not be bothered with it outside your apartment.

"the carter apartments" - ha ha ha!

Doormats are a liability to the building. If someone trips over a doormat, the building will get sued - Not the owner of the doormat. Also, I agree with AB11218 - The solution: put the doormat inside of the apt.

Exactly what I said as well. Put on your glasses, girl.

A lot of people trip on doormats, and nearly all of those who trip on the doormats get injured and then 100% of the people who trip on the doormats and get injured then hire a lawyer and sue.

Hey fieldschester: I attempted to start a discussion, and got the following from StreetEasty:

Riccardo,

Your account has been suspended from posting onto our discussion boards until
further notice.

Thanks!

Matt

Do you have any idea why they do this? Did I do or say something inappropriate? Maybe no one has even been able to read my posts. I feel rejected.

Riccardo, per this thread you are anti doorMatts. That should explain enough why SE Matt doesn't allow you to post.

What do you call someone with no arms and no legs laying in front of your door?

Ha Ha Ha Ha. Very funny indeed. Per your explanations, I feel honored that I am not allowed to post. I'm just too fabulous for most of these morons. Not you, of course. We are ultra-fab and will continue to be. Cheers.

Why is it such an imposition for tenants to keep their doormats INSIDE the front door?

Thanks to all those who assume that because I have (had) a doormat, I also had strollers, boots, umbrellas and nuclear power plants in the hall...

And you're right, barren hallways with harsh lighting are sooo much nicer.

Riversider: why the leap from doormats to hanging garbage? I can guarantee you don't live in this building, so why the need to "contribute"?

In my building all of the above were prohibited as well as wreaths. I hung a small Christmas wreath from my door and a day later was asked to remove it. It wasn't a religious thing as they had a large Christmas tree in the lobby. We were not allowed to have any personal effects whatsoever in the hallways. I just put it on the inside of my door and it was fine.

uwslady ...

One step is all you need to go down the slippery slope.

Today it's a doormat.

Tomorrow it's an umbrella.

Next week it's a table saw.

uwslady, wasn't it you who said...........

"No chairs, no small tables, now no doormats."

Implying you thought chairs, small tables and doormats were fine in public hallways.

small tables, or hanging garbage?

I think USWLady was pretty clear. And Riversider doesn't live in her building - he's too busy protecting the interest of Tom Perkins in one breath and complaining about the increase in the price of Verizon cable which we all know he switched to because he couldn't afford Time Warner Cable.

http://streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/14059-98-riverside-drive

Thanks for posting about the doormat individually personalized that help to maintain your home decoration. Its really helpful for me.

Anything you put in common areas puts you at risk of liability / lawsuit if some person trips. As for the the managing agent, I don't blame them for being conservative and trying to zero the risk of litigation.

It's truly sad that we've descended to such a low level as a society where we have to worry about these sorts of things, but there are bad people out there who will choose conflict and the shortsighted and greedy hopes of a payday vs. being a respectable person with values.

Don't let these people get inside your head!

baummm, it's NYC fire code. Has been for a long time. Nothing new here.