Hi everyone, I know that there are several threads on this already. But I was hoping to start a new one that both updates and also provides, in a succinct way, more specific details of the situation. I would like this thread to be free of the animosity and name-calling exhibited in previous threads. 1)In another thread, someone presented a map of the routes that the trucks would take. Here it is:... [more]
Hi everyone,
I know that there are several threads on this already. But I was hoping to start a new one that both updates and also provides, in a succinct way, more specific details of the situation. I would like this thread to be free of the animosity and name-calling exhibited in previous threads.
1)In another thread, someone presented a map of the routes that the trucks would take. Here it is: http://sanetrash.org/truck-routes/
This seems rather concerning. 500 trucks a day just seems like an endless stream, almost like a funeral procession. LOL.
Has it been confirmed that these will be the routes? Or is this map more of a "worst-case-scenario"—i, e, "Look at all the avenues and side streets that could be affected!"
2)What time of the day will the trucks be entering and leaving? Has this been decided or confirmed yet? In other threads, it's implied that the trucks would be going in and out during the afternoon--while children are playing and doing sports. 9 to 5 PM?
3)How many hours, do you think, would it take all 500 trucks to drive up into the station? (2 hours? 3?)
4) What do you think will be the impact of real estate prices on the surrounding area: 10 percent decline? 20 %? Will the 2nd Ave subway offset the negatives?
5)How far South should a prospective buyer go— to avoid both the reduced quality of life and to protect resale value?
The is actually the main thrust of my concern, so perhaps we can all take a vote:
A)86th street and below is safe
B)79th street and below is safe.
C)72nd Street and below…
I have a crush on an apartment on 79th and 1st Ave. Looking at the map above, I'm a bit concerned, especially because both 79th and 1st are thru-ways for the trucks. But do you think 79th and 1st Ave is safe?
Thanks in advance for your input.
CoyWolf
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Response by NWT
over 11 years ago
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The city and the various against-groups haven't had much to say lately, because it's a done deal.
If you don't want heavy traffic, the intersection of an avenue and a wide cross-street, like 79th and First, is a bad idea regardless of the MTS. Maybe Riverside, EEA, Sutton or Beekman would be a better bet.
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Response by CoyWolf
over 11 years ago
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Hi NWT,
Thanks so much. This is, like, the 15th time you've given me input on a SE post in the past year. You're the man.
The article mentions someone selling his apartment because it's on 50 East End Ave… (East End between 80 and 81st). East End isn't even listed on the map of truck routes.
Darnit…
Khoi
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Response by switel
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Nobody really knows the impact. Price are constantly up near first av. All what I can say is that all the RE investors are bidding on the area you mentioned, so I am sure they know something we don't. Plenty of new and very pricey condo are and will be added in the next 3 years.
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Nobody really knows the impact. Price are constantly up near first av. All what I can say is that all the RE investors are bidding on the area you mentioned, so I am sure they know something we don't. Plenty of new and very pricey condo are and will be added in the next 3 years.
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Response by NWT
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The doctor at 52 East End sold in 2011, two years before the PR piece was placed with the Post. He then bought at 94th and Lexington, just as close to the MTS. The against-groups had some good points, but the lobbyists and PR people they hired overplayed their hands on their way to losing. E.g., that map showing a school every 100 feet in the neighborhood. They might better have saved their money and been grateful for the few years they had after the asphalt plant and previous MTS were shut down.
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Response by CoyWolf
over 11 years ago
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Hi Switel-- You said: "Plenty of new and very pricey condo are and will be added in the next 3 years." Can you tell me where I can find a list of these new and pricey condos that will be added in the next 3 years?
So far, I've checked a site called newconstructionmanhattan.com, and it looks like most of the developers are building right on 2nd Avenue--or west of it. A search of STreeteasy shows a similar pattern… Unless both of these searches are only for CURRENT or recent new developments….
If there's a list of new devs planned that are within the rectangle bounded by 1st Ave and East End and also by 91st Street and 77th, I'd be totally happy….
Is there such a list?
Thanks.
Khoi
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I do not know of the list but here are some examples:
1)First btw 85th and 86th. all the block as been vacated almost. Rumors say a condo is in the planning and Trader Joe's on the street level
The city and the various against-groups haven't had much to say lately, because it's a done deal.
The lawsuit filed by a local Assembly member failed (http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/new-york/nysdce/1:2012cv08458/404386/93) as have all the others.
If you don't want heavy traffic, the intersection of an avenue and a wide cross-street, like 79th and First, is a bad idea regardless of the MTS. Maybe Riverside, EEA, Sutton or Beekman would be a better bet.
Hi NWT,
Thanks so much. This is, like, the 15th time you've given me input on a SE post in the past year. You're the man.
I just dug up this article, from the NY Post: http://nypost.com/2013/03/11/people-fleeing-their-ues-neighborhood-because-of-incoming-trash-transfer-station/
The article mentions someone selling his apartment because it's on 50 East End Ave… (East End between 80 and 81st). East End isn't even listed on the map of truck routes.
Darnit…
Khoi
Nobody really knows the impact. Price are constantly up near first av. All what I can say is that all the RE investors are bidding on the area you mentioned, so I am sure they know something we don't. Plenty of new and very pricey condo are and will be added in the next 3 years.
Nobody really knows the impact. Price are constantly up near first av. All what I can say is that all the RE investors are bidding on the area you mentioned, so I am sure they know something we don't. Plenty of new and very pricey condo are and will be added in the next 3 years.
The doctor at 52 East End sold in 2011, two years before the PR piece was placed with the Post. He then bought at 94th and Lexington, just as close to the MTS. The against-groups had some good points, but the lobbyists and PR people they hired overplayed their hands on their way to losing. E.g., that map showing a school every 100 feet in the neighborhood. They might better have saved their money and been grateful for the few years they had after the asphalt plant and previous MTS were shut down.
Hi Switel-- You said: "Plenty of new and very pricey condo are and will be added in the next 3 years." Can you tell me where I can find a list of these new and pricey condos that will be added in the next 3 years?
So far, I've checked a site called newconstructionmanhattan.com, and it looks like most of the developers are building right on 2nd Avenue--or west of it. A search of STreeteasy shows a similar pattern… Unless both of these searches are only for CURRENT or recent new developments….
If there's a list of new devs planned that are within the rectangle bounded by 1st Ave and East End and also by 91st Street and 77th, I'd be totally happy….
Is there such a list?
Thanks.
Khoi
I do not know of the list but here are some examples:
1)First btw 85th and 86th. all the block as been vacated almost. Rumors say a condo is in the planning and Trader Joe's on the street level
2) http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/02/27/anbau-enterprises-taps-shop-to-design-ues-rental/
3)http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/09/realestate/higher-prices-migrate-to-far-upper-east-side.html?_r=0
Woman killed by garbage truck today, partially her fault, partially driver's whose view obstructed:
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/07/02/woman-struck-killed-by-sanitation-truck-in-chelsea/#comments
How is that story relevant?