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Housing Consumption as multiple of income

Started by 300_mercer
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Thought would start an interesting discussion for NYC homeowners. What is the appx value of the apartment you live in relative to your last two year average income? Say you make $500k per year and live in a $2mm apartment. Multiple is 4. I am guessing the multiple will be 4-5. For high incomes >$1mm, probably lower at 3.
Response by Aaron2
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I'll play: 3. And I'm below your definition of 'high income'.

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Response by 300_mercer
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3-4 range.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
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I think your multiple only works for recent purchasers. Anyone who has been in their apartment long tern it's probably higher.

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Response by tryinbuyin
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We just closed on a place (woo!) and the value of my half is about 3.4x my base salary.

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Response by sippelmc
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Not just recent purchasers..I think you need to factor in if there is financing and if so current LTV.

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Response by Aaron2
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For the calculation, 'consumption' isn't the right term either. My place is fully paid for, so the only 'consumption' of my income is in maintenance payments. The multiple calculated is sort of meaningless, because it's comparing a balance sheet item (fixed asset value) with a cash flow (annualized income) value.

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Response by 300_mercer
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Aaron, I mean consumption in terms of not putting the property to income producing purposes. I am not talking about affordability, leverage or risky behavior. Simply $ value of residence relative to income. Some one who is retired may have a multiple of 10 or more and the residence may be paid for. The metric I am talking about will fail.

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Response by jasondg116
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3.4

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Response by KAS61
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6

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Response by alexikeguchi
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Probably at least 10 because of very significant appreciation over the last five years and only a modest increase in income. As others have pointed out, though, the ratio is pretty meaningless in practical terms; I have no mortgage or home equity line payments, so it's not as if I have to come up with some exorbitant percentage of my income to stay in my home.

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Response by fieldschester
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my suspicion is that the OP has seen a decline in his income.

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Response by missleonabrown
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Anything more than 4x does sound risky, but it's obviously dependent on the nature of your income, net worth and what the bank will lend you!

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