Kitchen

Depending on the appliances you buy, even that can make a difference in price. If you can go with the sub zero fridge, a good stove, I.e. Viking, etc.

As far as flooring, I guess you are not doing the floors in the rest of your apartment, therefore porcelain could be good. But cabinet prices can really vary. High end cabinets like poggenpohl are beautiful but expensive.

If you go mid range, no sub zero or viking then maybe it could cost $40K, low end $30K.

We have just started to do ours. Similar size and layout. Because you are taking a wall down, it is going to cost you probably $15k in architect, DOB and expeditor fees. We are looking at about $65k for ours and that is using mid-range appliances.

Some of it depends on your building. If they will let you get away with calling it a "cosmetic renovation" and you don't need Architects and dob filings and a bunch of Plumbing work (although that sounds doubtful if you are having a washer dryer where there wasn't one), and you go with moderate appliances (no Sub-Zero, Viking, Etc) you can probably save $30,000+.
There are full custom cabinet shops in the Midwest which will ship you high quality Cabinets, delivered knocked down for less than $10k (depending on how fancy your cabinets inside is). But you need to be able to deliver them a complete design yourself.

I'd say 100K as a mid-high price.

Ghammon,

I do not believe you will need t spend 15k for an architect. Does the space already have a washer dryer? What type of cabinets are you looking for? For low-end cabinetry, low-end appliances and a low-end contractor you probably can pay around 20k . For hi-end custom cabinets, hi-end applainces and a hi-end contractor you can pay over 100K.

100 sq. ft kitchen = 60K: custom made cabinets (3 pillars in the kitchen) with Liebherr refrigerator, Bosch d/w, and GE Profile range/microwave. Range had 2 ovens with smaller doors because kitchen was too narrow for regular oven door on Viking, etc. Location of pillars meant not being able to enlarge kitchen.

One may not want to get a Viking oven, but a Lieberman or Sub Zero fridge is a must. Besides being ecologically friendly and not making any noise, food keeps much fresher than the other refrigerators.

It also is a good selling point if that time comes.

Jelj, How many running ft (1 ft top and 1 ft bottom counting as 2 ) was the cabinetry, who supplied it, and what did it cost appx? Thank you.

Primer, if he/she is taking down a wall, doesn't he/she need DOB approval? And wouldn't his/her board also going to require some sort of professional drawings prior to approving? Maybe it isn't 15K but it won't be less than 5K.

300_mercer, for our recent renovation, we got cabinets from Majestic Kitchens in Mamaroneck, brand name is Cabico. Inset doors which costs a bit more. White paint "one-moulding-more-than-Shaker" doors. ~37 running ft plus 9 foot of full-height cabinets. Crown moulding to ceiling. Just under 50K, and 8k for installation.

Very happy with it and it's probably the least stressful part of our renovation.

Thank you.

One thing you might want to consider is paying extra for plywood boxes, especially if there are washer/dryers above you. Almost inevitably the is some kind of leak and particle board cabinets will turn to mush while plywood stand a much better chance of survival.
Also, for the washer dryer install some kind of automatic shut-off device is an absolute must. As far as I know the number one home insurance claim in the United States is from burst hoses on washing machines. I like the intelliflo type devices which basically sense if your washing machine is drawing current and if not cuts off the flow. This will substantially lengthen the life of your hoses.

Go with an LG or Samsung refrigerator or maybe even a KitchenAid, approx. $2500 instead of 8 to 10k for a higher end fridge. You can get a nice Miele dishwasher for 1300. You can also get a Viking all gas 36" Pro Series 5 range for $5k, obviously less for a 30". And with the Viking you can get up to a $1,600 credit towards another one of their appliances, so maybe either the range hood or free dishwasher.

Many good options out there for cabinets I don't have to spend a ton of money.

Just some thoughts.

Keith Burkhardt
Tbg

My Liebherr fridge cost me $3000.00. That was the smallest one they had, but it looks real nice. It replaced a GE fridge that was bigger but because the space between the inside of the Liebherr and the outside is so much less than a regular fridge, I get more food in the Liebherr than the GE.

I got a $1,000 gift card for buying a Sub-zero fridge and Wolf stove but not sure that deal is still available. For washer-dryer, if 220v or direct venting is not available, check out the new LG all-in-one or the Miele stackables, both 110v and ventless.

As someone who cooks pretty much every meal, I really appreciated having a 36" Subzero, but I'm a bit of an outlier as someone who actually could use more space than that.
In the majority of Apartments I have seen with large built-in refrigerators all I have seen is a lot of vacant space when looking inside.

Lz3,

That depends on the building. If the wall is not structural most buildings will not require it.

Have you started the renovation?

My sister just did kitchen renovation by hiring kitchen remodel San Jose experts from https://homequalityremodeling.com/kitchen-remodel-san-jose/ . They were great in their work and they completed the renovation within her budget.

If you haven't started the renovation, then I would suggest you to firstly check for the renovation quotes and then finalize a renovation company.

#StreetSmart have to agree with you on the refrigerator choice. we just finished renovating our house and we wound up going with 36 inch wolf range, Asko dishwasher and a 36-inch leibherr fridge. Total cost for all three appliances was 15000. We bought a floor model refrigerator which saved us $3,000, came with the full warranty.

30 that's a great suggestion regarding the kitchen cabinets where you can save a ton. And most people won't know the difference. That said everyone will notice your wolf range and other high-end appliances, not only Pleasant to use and live with certainly a positive for resale.

Keith

>>That said everyone will notice your wolf range and other high-end appliances, not only Pleasant to use and live with certainly a positive for resale.<<

I'm curious about the high-end appliance = resale value question. Personally I feel that unless you're planning to sell within two years (at most) of installing high-end appliances they won't really help with resale beyond that. Unless appliances are new (or very near new) I would imagine most buyers would want to upgrade with a new Viking, rather than keep a several-year-old Viking... Am I wrong here?

Well I think you'll get to enjoy high quality appliances as well as get some extra pop at resale. They age quite well, certainly won't be out of style in 5 years maybe even 7 for that matter if they're well taken care of. And not everybody who buys a new home will have the money to spend on these type of upgrades, so will appreciate them in place. So I think in the end it definitely does add to the resale value.

Of course other things will factor in like price point. If we're talking about buyers of a 4 million-dollar + home, they will probably want the latest and the best.

If we're talking about more of an entry-level style home, either one or two bedroom, I think those buyers will appreciate having high-end appliances that have been well taken care of in place. And although I cook most of my meals, we all know most New Yorkers are not beating up too badly on their kitchens :)

Keith

Thanks Keith--all very good points

Sort of funny how we all get on a roll with some of these threads and then the o p disappears (:

Squid, I have a 24y old sub-zero which came with the apartment 7 years back. It looks beautiful and works perfectly. I do not feel a need to replace it at all.

General comment, There is big difference in prices if you get built-in, which do not need space at the back, vs getting counter-depth, which need 3 inches of space for heat dissipation, and still out 3 inches from the counter. Built-in is 2-3 x Counter-depth for the same brand (say 7-10k for 36 inch, vs $3k) without much difference in features.

Leibherr makes a free-standing/ semi built-in that mounts flush to your countertop. I don't believe it needs three inches at the back.

>>>Sort of funny how we all get on a roll with some of these threads and then the o p disappears (: <<<

Soup from a stone ;-)

>>Squid, I have a 24y old sub-zero which came with the apartment 7 years back. It looks beautiful and works perfectly. I do not feel a need to replace it at all.<<

Now that's impressive!

They indeed make them and with stainless steel panels and handle will be $7k+.

https://www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/ajmadison/HC2082.html

In my experience the Leibherr have unexpectedly bad repair records.

Jeez 30 I just bought one. I hope your experience is in the minority ;)

I have a counter-depth, and narrow, Blomberg that fits beautifully in my small kitchen -- has been running happily for 7 years. I think it was around $1500. I only wish I had gotten the automatic icemaker, and sacrificed some of the freezer space.

Keith,
Just as a point of reference:
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/homeowners/liebherr-fridge.html

Yeah I chose to ignore the reviews on the consumer affairs website. So far ours has been working like a charm.

My 2 cents:

Aesthetically counter depth is the way to go.

Do you mean front flush with the rest of the base cabinets? If so, that is sold as built-in or integrated.

Or semi built in...

A counter depth fridge can be both stainless steel or integrated, it is flush with the cabinets

This one below is integrated

https://www.instagram.com/p/BlA12T3DE2P/?hl=en&taken-by=primerenovations

This one is counter depth and integrated
https://www.instagram.com/p/BaZZzqWAsGu/?hl=en&taken-by=primerenovations

This one is counter depth and not integrated
https://www.instagram.com/p/BMBzj5thV9Y/?hl=en&taken-by=primerenovations

Integrated just means you can put a custom panel on it, those are usually also counter depth

Below the fridge is integrated on the right
https://www.instagram.com/p/BhpkX54DzOQ/?hl=en&taken-by=primerenovations

Below it is flush but not integrated
https://www.instagram.com/p/BMBzj5thV9Y/?hl=en&taken-by=primerenovations