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whats the benefits of doing it the right way??

Started by Danny
almost 7 years ago
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So i am about 5k on architect fees simply trying to convert my alcove studio to a 1 bedroom and reconfigure a couple closets. My friend did the same thing in his coop without any permits or anything and just told the board hes updating the kitchen cabinets. Now that i am 5k in and dont even have permits yet, just curious is there any benefit of doing this the legal way?? its taken me about 4 months and 5k and im still trying to get this thing approved. Basically, i paid an architect about 3k and paying the building architect 250/ per hour to review and we are on the 4th review as he keeps coming up with random questions he says weren't included in the previous review. My full renovation is only estimated at 15k, never thought Id be paying over 5k just to get it approved.
Response by Primer05
almost 7 years ago
Posts: 2103
Member since: Jul 2009

Danny,

Something is very wrong. That should not take anywhere near 4 months to get approval. I cannot imagine why you need revisions, we work on full gut renovations where we are moving bathrooms and kitchens that take 4 months. What is the building's architect coming back with?

To answer your question, you should do it the right way.

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Response by 300_mercer
almost 7 years ago
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Member since: Feb 2007

If you sell, the buyer will look for whether you converted legally. The city or the building could force you to take down illegal partition. In the case of fire, you may be liable for any damages due to illegal partitioning.

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Response by Aaron2
almost 7 years ago
Posts: 1693
Member since: Mar 2012

The benefit to doing it the legal way is that you will have no (or fewer) problems when you are ready to sell the unit, and may get a higher price (because the new owner won't have to fix potential errors. And the board will be somewhat limited in their power over you, as it will have been approved by their architect and the DOB. I'm a little surprised that you're paying the building architect by the hour -- he's the building's employee, not yours. You should have him contact your architect directly to answer questions -- they can speak pro to pro, rather than having you (a non-pro) as middleman.

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Response by Squid
almost 7 years ago
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Member since: Sep 2008

>>I'm a little surprised that you're paying the building architect by the hour -- he's the building's employee, not yours. <<

Costs for architectural review of alteration plans are customarily passed along to the shareholder.

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Response by front_porch
almost 7 years ago
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Member since: Mar 2008

I think from reading one of the other threads that the building's issue is having to do with heating and cooling the newly created room.

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Response by alyssa
almost 7 years ago
Posts: 4
Member since: Aug 2018

Not clear why they would care about that but, the architect should provide a light and air calculation (required for alt 2 permits but may not be necessary for what you're doing).

I feel your pain though, I'm down 25K for architect, DOB, and building fees for a not very big project.

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Response by Primer05
almost 7 years ago
Posts: 2103
Member since: Jul 2009

Alyssa,

If your project isn't large I am not sure why your costs would be 25k. Seems pretty high

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