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Started by George
over 5 years ago
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Discussion about 21 East 61st Street #9A
Went into contract today at $5.2M list. Prior sale was $8.3M in '16. https://streeteasy.com/building/carlton-house/9a
Response by yournamehere
over 5 years ago
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That's some juicy maintenance

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Response by ph41
over 5 years ago
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Also it’s on a land lease

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
over 5 years ago
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Is this the shape of things to come for some of these new(er) land lease buildings?

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Response by multicityresident
over 5 years ago
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ouch.

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Response by KeithBurkhardt
over 5 years ago
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They started at $5.975. They conceded on price right out of the gate.

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Response by GGG123
over 5 years ago
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it's a land lease. When will the lease end?

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Response by 300_mercer
over 5 years ago
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Another new development horror story and land lease on top of that.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
over 5 years ago
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300,
Did your friend end up pulling the trigger on that land lease deal? Was that 70 Charlton?

What do people think resales at 70 Charlton are going to be like?

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Response by bramstar
over 5 years ago
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Does it come with the Lladro figurine? Asking for a friend...

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Response by 300_mercer
over 5 years ago
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30, Yes but for a huge discount compared to the initial ask. I personally would stay away from a land lease which even comes with “inclusive housing” I think, but this friend is good with numbers and much richer than me.

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Response by 300_mercer
over 5 years ago
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And from what I can tell 21 East 61st is only 8 foot ceiling height. Just look at the kitchen cabinets. It is still at $2k plus why?

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Response by 300_mercer
over 5 years ago
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But the sellers are rather wealthy. So probably do not care a whole lot.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
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Rich people don't care about ceiling height?

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Response by 300_mercer
over 5 years ago
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No about overpaying.

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Response by front_porch
over 5 years ago
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?? Rich people don't care about overpaying? I need to meet *those* rich people. My wealthy buyer clients are just as price-sensitive as my less-wealthy ones.

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Response by KeithBurkhardt
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Response by multicityresident
over 5 years ago
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I have not looked up the sellers, but I am guessing they have at least nine figures to the left of the decimal point in their net worth to brush off a loss of this magnitude.

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Response by KeithBurkhardt
over 5 years ago
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They are CEO / philanthropic types. But that loss had to sting.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
over 5 years ago
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Keith, that article was old news at the publishing date, the following week it dropped back down again. Random aberration of low numbers.

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Response by sluox
over 5 years ago
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Catherine M. Burzik was the CEO of a major health supplier (public company, listed on NYSE) with >1B yearly revenue. One might imagine that her trust's net worth is in the mid 8 figures. So this is not an insubstantial loss (3M).

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Response by 300_mercer
over 5 years ago
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Ali, You just need to look at the art word for over paying. I remember some 10 foot tall dog sculpture selling for ridiculous price. The same way some very wealthy people drop $100k on a couture dress they will wear a few times at most. And of course we all know about boats and yachts.

There are people with a lot of money (I am not talking about $10-20mm net worth but much higher) and some of them make impulsive vanity decisions with a percentage of their money and still left with more money than they know what to do with. And of course I must mention Jho Low. Did he really care if he overpaid a few million?

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