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Started by stache
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I am starting this thread because other threads starting off with different topics have moved on to riot/brutality discussions. To get a pretty good national view take a look at this link running out from the LA Times - https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/liveblog/live-updates-minneapolis-george-floyd-protests
Response by multicityresident
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Nowhere is safe right now. Comet Pizza is not only my neighborhood pizza place (within walking distance) but is the neighborhood pizza place for everyone in our neighborhood, which is populated by people of all races and political persuasion:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2016/12/04/d-c-police-respond-to-report-of-a-man-with-a-gun-at-comet-ping-pong-restaurant/
I would have thought the crazy hitting this close to home right after the 2016 election would have ended the nonsense, but things have just gotten worse.

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Response by multicityresident
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This breaking news is HUGE: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/15/us/gay-transgender-workers-supreme-court.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
Roberts declared with the tax ruling on the ACA a few years ago, but everyone has been wondering where Gorsuch and Kavanaugh would come down.
Gorsuch just sent a clear message that he is not with "them."
HUGE, HUGE, HUGE. I cannot stop smiling.

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Response by multicityresident
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Again, H-U-G-E!!!! https://www.wsj.com/articles/supreme-court-rules-for-gay-rights-in-the-workplace-11592230310
Gorsuch might have ruled differently were the country not in such perilous times. Defensible legal analysis could support either outcome. This was a political decision, no ifs, ands or buts about it.

I am floored and thrilled, because it lets me know that the Supreme Court is still keeping watch, but this decision will also add fuel to the fires that are simmering among ordinary people who are just doing their best to live their lives accordingly to what they personally believe in, whatever that may be. And no doubt it is going to put POTUS on even more edge that his grip on power is not as firm as he would like it to be, and that is extremely dangerous for all of us.

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Response by inonada
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CAB, that’s a lot of material I missed today! I was unfortunately busy with my day It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It

On scuzzy, your FedSoc friends sound scuzzy. Promoting free markets / deregulation is not scuzzy. Thinking the prez is racist but workIng in the administration is scuzzy. I’ll leave your family out of it, but I’ll paraphrase Upton Sinclair: it Is difficult to get a man to understand something when his tax cut depends on his not understanding it.

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Response by KeithBurkhardt
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Lol. did you exchange tax cut for salary?

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Response by KeithBurkhardt
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Ah yes, 'paraphrase'...

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Response by inonada
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;)

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Response by multicityresident
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"On scuzzy, your FedSoc friends sound scuzzy. Promoting free markets / deregulation is not scuzzy. Thinking the prez is racist but workIng in the administration is scuzzy. I’ll leave your family out of it, but I’ll paraphrase Upton Sinclair: it Is difficult to get a man to understand something when his tax cut depends on his not understanding it."
Agree. It has shaken me to my core. The people I grew up with are ignorant, but the FedSoc people have made a conscious decision to put their financial well-being, power and status ahead of civil rights. I would not have predicted that they would throw people of color under the bus in the interest of money and power, but their actions over the past 3.5 years have revealed their true colors. There is no going back.

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Response by inonada
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I was actually thinking about Kavanaugh vs Gorsuch after your suggestion to read about Chevron. Entertaining that Gorsuch is against the doctrine that his mother was key in establishing. I follow these things very much from afar, but Gorsuch seems like a straight shooter. Therefore, I was not surprised by his position today. (Though my wife had been given the “conservative” label and what that means.)

Kavanaugh lost me at his confirmation. Not Ford’s, but his own. It was obvious he was lying under oath about even the lamest high school BS. Mostly, that left me wondering how far the lying went rather than give him credit for his word. So scuzzy.

>> Those I know who still defend him say he had no choice but to lie.

Let me let you in on a little secret, in case you have not yet figured it out in life. Those people are scuzzy too: they are simply telling you they’d do / have done the same in a similar situation. They are of upstanding moral character at all points in time, except when it gets in their way, but beyond that they are 100% trustworthy!

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Response by inonada
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To be clear, it was simply Kavanaugh’s lying that lost me, not the details of what may or may not have occurred. I know I ask for a lot. Don’t support racists presidents. Don’t appoint Supreme Court candidates who lie under oath during confirmation. Appellate, sure let them lie all they want, but can we at least draw the line at Supreme? I know, asking for too much...

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Response by multicityresident
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Agree on all fronts. And to be clear, I have made clear to each of them that we are no longer friends. They are dead to me. I would never have predicted it. Read The Terror Presidency by Jack Goldmsith and pay attention to the hospital room scene featuring Pat Philbin and James Comey. To see Pat Philbin defending Trump at the impeachment trial is not anything I could have imagined in my wildest dreams. Cippolone, yes, but Philbin, no.

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Response by multicityresident
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The one that has broken my and my husband's heart the most is the current head of OLC. Incredibly powerful position, and the person we thought he was never would have taken the job or would have resigned long ago after the early undeniable signs of racism and authoritarian tendencies. He was the host of what we now call The Last Supper.

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Response by multicityresident
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Actually, Kavanaugh probably cut my husband’s heart deeper than Engel did. I was never close to Kavanaugh, so that one just disappointed and scared me, but Engels were probably my closest friends in DC before everything went horribly wrong.

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Response by inonada
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Gaining electoral power via racist division for money & power is old racket. How do you think rich slave owners got piss poor yeoman farmers to get behind free labor for their competition? Every time you say prioritizing money & power over civil rights, I connect the dots to slavery.

However, isn’t it the case that if you don’t support Trump’s racism per se, just the electoral outcome in favor of your money & power, that absolves you, right? I mean, isn’t it just like Jesus & sin? You know, you recite 10 Hail to Chiefs and then Trump carries all the racism.

(I feel like I’m pouring salt in your wounds, but then again it may be cathartic for you to rant.)

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Response by inonada
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>> Read The Terror Presidency by Jack Goldmsith and pay attention to the hospital room scene featuring Pat Philbin and James Comey.

I was with you up to that point, but then you lost me. As a proof that I am not against Trump on everything, I’m with him on this one: I don’t read books. I did you a favor, however, and watched some news on the subject from bed.

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Response by multicityresident
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That is their argument. I tried with all of my heart to accept it and compartmentalize, but I couldn’t/can’t get there. I wish I could; everything would be so much easier.

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Response by multicityresident
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And yes, it is cathartic to rant. Seriously, WTF am I doing ranting on a website dedicated to NY real estate. It just helps to rant everywhere. On a related note, some of the best rants (laced with humor) can be found on aboutready’s husband’s facebook page. Highly recommend. I am connected to him independently through the resistance network, and neither of us has ever mentioned SE to the other. No idea if AR has made the connection.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
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CAB,
You should read Winning Through Intimidation by Robert Ringer.

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Response by multicityresident
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@30yrs - Will do - you know I will check out any book you recommend.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
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Afterwards you will understand why the lesson which was learned here:
https://medium.com/better-marketing/pepsis-40-billion-typo-caused-deadly-riots-3d671295d1bd

Was "For only $20 million you can get 30% market share in The Philippines."

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