Will civil unrest kill NYC real estate prices?

Jas, What are the policies, actions or inaction causing the following in your opinion?
“We've let the genie out of the bottle”

I know I've said this before, but even when things were really really really bad, in NYC. It didn't feel so bad or scary or dangerous on the day-to-day. And I had two little kids going to school in the city in the eighties and nineties..

I started out on Norfolk and Houston, then moved to 6th Street and avenue C. Then lived on West 22nd Street between 9th and 10th avenue.

I'm sure from 82 through the 90s the crime stats were off the hook! However, walking around Chelsea or Soho or the West Village or Greenwich Village felt completely safe. Quite honestly some of my greatest memories of life in New York are from this era. I guess if you were an investment banker, wearing an expensive watch and suit, you wouldn't have wanted to walk down avenue b in the '80s... but why would someone like that even be there/want to be there unless they were buying drugs!

Quite honestly when I lived in the far East Village (80's) with my then girlfriend, neighborhood people looked after us.

So my point is you may have come in to the homogenized version of NYC post Giuliani. I just want to let you know the city was great even before you got here.

People's expectations have changed since the 80s. Back then you could also buy a giant place for $250k, or $750k in today's money. NYC has become a luxury good. If I'm laying $4m for a place and 11% of my income in taxes and $40k a year property tax, my expectations are kind of high.

I understand your point George. But I also think we're looking at things a little differently. There were plenty of wealthy/ultra wealthy, well-educated people living in the city in the '80s and '90s. Because of the family I married into, I had the privilege to associate with many of them. New York was home base even with the graffiti covered trains, high crime stats and all the other warts.

Where I agree with you, and something I've said for 20+ years, those looking for a suburban experience in New York City probably weren't cut out for City Life. So perhaps they would be happier in a suburb.

When you own a house on the water, there's an expression, "you're going to get your feet wet once in awhile".

You need to live where you're most comfortable. There is no right or wrong place when it comes to choosing your home, whatever works best for you and your family. Although I'm not in the city full-time any longer, I was there for 35 years, and for my taste, the '80s and '90s were preferable. But to each his own said the farmer who kissed the cow....

I agree with Keith on the point that there were many well-educated people living in the city in during what many think of as the dark years. I have friends from college who were raised in the city on 5th and Park Avenue; their families' level of wealth was significantly beyond my own family's. And, my family was doing quite well by any reasonable standards during that time period, but not well enough to trade up to that apartment that my parents wanted after the kids came into the mix attendant with access to all the amenities that made my childhood so rich in activities and opportunities.

One thing I am enjoying about being in Columbus is that I get to see one of my nieces in musical theater. She is absolutely terrible and would not get cast in anything if she lived in NYC. Contrast her continuing to dream of being on Broadway to the experience of one of our NYC friends daughters: We heard her sing and said "wow, has she tried out for American Idol?" Her parents laughed at us and told us she had already been turned down by the premier programs in NY and after going to Opera Camp was told that she had no future in the performing arts. She's only 13 and her dreams have been crushed! If she lived in Nowhere, she could have enjoyed that dream for at least another 5-10 years.

@mcr that bit about your niece really cracked me up! My oldest daughter actually went to the high school of performing arts... There she quickly learned to dislike drama students...

Hilarious, MCR!

".... walking around Chelsea or Soho or the West Village or Greenwich Village felt completely safe..."

if you were male, maybe. I lived on 26th street from 1990-1996 and I would regularly "check in" with the guys at a neighborhood restaurant on my way home from the 23rd street subway stop.

ali r.

A squeegee guy tried to do his thing to me today in Queens. What better sign that old NYC is back!

I’m still waiting for Antifa to hold my doorman at gunpoint so they can grab the spare key to my apartment and come upstairs to murder my family. Any day now...

You joke, but they did that to Kim K in Paris. French crooks are a little more professional though. Here they just break and steal sh1t.

@lrschober - thank you.
@George - that was an inside job. Not even close. Try harder and enlist @30yrs for real anecdotes.

And I know anecdotes are worthless, but I spent some formative years needing to get from the east side of Detroit to the west side of Detroit. My parents gave me precise directions that came with a caveat so forceful that my know-it-all-16-year-old-self felt compelled to look at a map, and sure enough, there was a much shorter route that went - gasp - THROUGH THE CITY. I was incredibly fortunate to have car trouble only once along that route (over 24 years). I was treated like a complete alien; people stopped fighting with each other in front of me to help the alien and send me on my way. I am sure it could have easily turned out differently, and as much as I think the country remains ready to blow, I think we are a ways off from mobs storming past doormen.

*over 24 months (1984-1986)

If you asked the people complaining loudest about crime in the city: "what is a bodega?" ... The answer you'd get back would be "Of course, they sell Bottega Venta at Bergdorf, second floor."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/10/nyregion/nyc-crime-bodegas.html

As I said above, I think we are a ways off from mobs storming past doormen. I wish I could say the same about mobs storming The Capitol.

Seriously, today was beyond surreal in Washington, D.C. All quiet now. I believe it will stay that way, and I am actually glad that those I know who had been encouraging this type of thing thinking that these people weren't real (just figments of "The Left's" imagination) got to see their peeps up close.

I had sympathy for the BLM movement because I believe their grievances are grounded in reality, though I know many don't agree. I am curious as to whether there is a similar divide of opinion regarding today's (Jan 6, 2021) "protestors?" Is there a single reader of this discussion who sympathizes with those who stormed The Capitol today? I am not trying to start anything; just genuinely curious.

I am also curious as to whether today's "protests" in DC caused anyone fear of additional civil unrest or sparked any personal fear at all? I suspect most New Yorkers did not pay much attention and were relatively unaffected, but I'd love to be wrong on this suspicion.

If you found yourself unaffected by today's "protests," yet apoplectic about the BLM "protests," I would be curious to know why the BLM "protests" made you angrier than today's "protests." And seriously, do a genuine emotional check on yourself. Some on here were clearly emotionally agitated by what happened in NYC; are you equally agitated about what happened in DC today?

Two different species. BLM opportunists hit mainly at night, this was a day event and struck me as more childish than anything.

@stache - they had guns, plenty of tactical equipment and there are photos of guys with ziptie handcuffs .. I wonder what they planned to do with those? This was a pre-planned siege with people flying in from across the country, with a set of politicians fanning the flames. It was purposely timed to interrupt a part of the peaceful transfer of power as the votes got certified.
They got within a single door of congress which was evacuated. What do you think would have happened if the floor was not evacuated quickly enough?

Which parts of this were "childish"

We can argue that some on the left didn't disavow violence at BLM rallies strongly enough, agreed.

I just don't see anything that happened over the summer approaches having major members of political party actively encouraging insurrection.

I'm honestly sick of pundits parsing and dissecting the tactics of protestors instead of focusing on their issues. Yesterday's insurrection would have been completely justified if, say, Pence was on the verge of dissolving Congress and appointing a Supreme Chancellor.

But he wasn't. Instead, what the rioters opposed was the lawful, democratic transition of power. They were fighting to install a violent autocrat atop a kakistocracy flying the Confederate flag. THAT is what's contemptible, not the fact they brought zipties.

My unchecked emotional reaction is the same as RichardBerg's (as well as Stache's - more on that in a moment), but the overall considered assessment is the same as steve123's. I have to force myself to focus on the tactics rather than the grievances because I have to give others their right to think and believe what they do (even if I find it contemptible - my remedy on that front is to not personally associate with them as is my right). However, their right to think and believe whatever they want does not give them the right to engage in unlawful tactics.

Regarding the "childish," I had to examine my own similar reaction, and I could not escape what I have now long-known about myself (and believe about others): When the perpetrators of any unlawful act that *should* frighten me look like my marginalized Uncle Bob, his wife and their not-so-bright-offspring, my reaction is not fright, but rather eye-rolling. On the other hand, when the perpetrator of an unlawful act bears no resemblance to anyone in my *family,* fear accompanies whatever other reaction I might have and may even be at the forefront.

My considered reaction to BLM rioters: I don't condone the violence, but I can understand it because I believe the underlying grievances are grounded in reality/fact. I want society to work on fixing those grievances while continuing to condemn violence.

My considered reaction to yesterday's rioters: I *should* be more scared than I emotionally am. While these people remind me of my marginalized Uncle Bob, who I could never imagine doing anything truly awful because he is just Uncle Bob who is to be ignored as a harmless blowhard, many of the mass shooters over the past X years also resembled my Uncle Bob, who is one day going to show us all that he is not to be ignored - he MATTERS, even if everything he truly believes has no foundation in reality.

Trump gave it his best shot to mobilize these folks yesterday, and while he read the room and backed down, I believe he was hoping for a different outcome. These folks aren't going away; here is to hoping that nobody with Trump's charisma and inclinations appears on the scene to lead them. Unfortunately there is no way to address their underlying "grievances," because those grievances are not ground in fact, but rather in whack job conspiracy theories. How do you fix/reason with crazy stupid?

With a bullet from a Secret Service revolver. When you take on the government, people will die. That much is a given.

Real change happens afterward. How many people treat her as a martyr vs a Darwin Award winner? Each successive action (and .gov counteraction) will either inspire more people to take to the streets, or demotivate them to crawl back to their sewers. The balance of those two groups is the most primitive and dangerous form of democracy, but in times of institutional weakness, it's what ultimately shapes the society to come. "Reason" doesn't really come into it, I'm afraid. Uncle Bob will back off simply because he's a lemming whose social bubble chose flight over fight. For now.

Protests are never "about" the protesters; they're about the people watching. Gandhi and Mandela et al won because they forced the world around them to reevaluate regimes that would otherwise have escaped critical attention. Hong Kong protesters managed to tip millions to their side by exposing the brutality of the government forces against them, but fell far short of convincing CCP loyalists, who of course number in the billions. BLM protesters also managed to amplify their crowds and turn their fallen into martyrs, but also face a hard cap on potential supporters, as American bootlickers are numerous and no foreign power would dare so much as a tea boycott of our empire. (Unlike the CCP, popular U.S. factions are forced to share power, so some partial reforms are possible and indeed under way.)

Unfortunately for the MAGAs, precisely nobody reacted to their little stunt with sympathy.

@RichardBerg - Well said. Agree on all fronts.

Agreed MCR & Richard

This update is for George, 300_mercer (whom I am not stalking btw, but who embodies a “type” in the same way I do) and knewbie: I just got off the phone with one of my best friends from law school, who happens to be a first-gen immigrant from Asia. We went to law school together and were also colleagues in our first jobs out of law school in SF. We lost touch but recently reconnected because we are both involved with the same start-up and were comparing notes. This individual recently moved to Park City because said individual could no longer tolerate the “oppressive progressive culture of SF.” It was a great conversation, wherein said individual just could not understand progressives’ tolerance (their word, not mine) of the racism that African Americans manifest towards Asians in the form of attacks on Asian-American-owned businesses in urban environments. Discuss if you are so inclined.

I know a black family that just left SF for similar reasons, along with plenty of white folks. SF-style progressivism is no more tolerant than far-right religious fundamentalism, of which there is plenty in Utah.

NYC for all its flaws is far more tolerant.

Not to go too far down this tangent, but my friend did understand by the end of the phone call why I found his blanket statement offensive; he ultimately agreed that it was not fair to assume that all members of one group dislike all
members of another group, and agreed to be a bit more sensitive, but his general attitude is “I just don’t care about that stuff; I just want the crime to end.”

I think its just a basic hierarchy of needs issue.
For most, having a job & a safe place to live is at the top and all else goes out the window when they are threatened.

It was very easy for white liberals in expensive neighborhoods in blue cities to ignore the bad things going on (clear, statistically significant increases in crime) because they.. mostly don’t happen in white neighborhoods.

A lot of polling found the phrase “defund the police” did a lot worse than you’d expect in minority communities. The nuance is lost in translation and it was always a poorly chosen phrase.
Many in high crime areas see their problem as being simultaneous under policing & over policing. Under policing in bad response times to calls to actual crimes while also over policing when getting pulled over for ‘driving while black” or their son getting stopped & frisked twice per year. Worst of both worlds.
So actual polling shows they want better policing, community engagement, accountability, etc.

BLM hit a ceiling when the perception of property crime / urban disorder reached a high enough saturation point that it overtook increased sympathy to the cause. Polling pre-summer/post-summer on BLM support looks like —^— .

A 2015 Gallup poll found that black adults who believed police treated black people unfairly were also more likely to desire a larger police presence in their local area than those who thought police treated black people fairly.

A 2019 Vox poll found that despite being the racial group with the most unfavorable view of the police, most black people still supported hiring more police officers.

Similarly white liberals want to hoist ourselves (well maybe just the rural redneck whites.. not us!) as the most racist race but.. you’ll find some very interesting cross-minority opinions if you scratch below the surface. White people have the advantage of generally only being the aggressor in terms of discrimination and not also the recipient.

There’s some interesting reading about how Class is really the only remaining socially accepted thing you can discriminate based on. Chris Arnade - Dignity, is an interesting read (much more so than Hillbilly Elegy) in that regard.

Thanks steve123 for the thoughtful comment and the great information. I have done a lot of scratching below the surface on the cross-minority opinions and agree on all fronts. I feel that the Stephen-Millers-types are also well aware of cross-minority views and have done a brilliant job of capitalizing on them to refocus grievances away from the class divide. I marvel at how my friend is incensed over affirmative action, but has no emotional reaction to legacy preference admission. When I got him focused on that, he admitted that legacy preference admission should bother him as well; I asked him whether it did not bother him because his children are now in a position to benefit from this less-than-merit-based system. He's going to get back to me on that one.

Childish in that they didn't get their way and threw a tantrum. I think this is part of the reason the cops didn't take it seriously. This plus Nashville = Biden really needs to bear down on these hillbillies and start serious punishment. They have been imboldened.

I think I'd be careful with generalizing people as just being Hillbillies, a derogative term that many people find offensive. I don't consider myself politically correct, but I do find most stereotypes offensive and destructive.

The movie “The Hunt” explores the dangers of stereotyping along these lines. I found it uncomfortable to watch but provocative and recommend it to anyone who has exhausted recommendations from others.

Well if you're afraid of calling lawbreakers names, that's your business.

Guess I've just spent some time in Appalachia. 'Hillbilly' is a very derogatory word used to describe these people.

I can find some other choice words to describe that people that storm the capital.

>> Well if you're afraid of calling lawbreakers names, that's your business.

How do you refer to lawbreakers who happen to be black, Latino, Jewish, middle eastern, Chinese, Vietnamese, etc.? Yikes...

Keith/Nada, I think these people knew what they were doing and calling them hillbillies is somehow lessening their crime in my mind. They are just violent criminals who can come from anywhere and can be from any race/place. Capitol police should have used their guns a bit more after appropriate warnings - at least on the people who were actively breaking doors or threatened any ones safety in anyway.

Furry Cop is from Brooklyn. Viking Guy lives in Phoenix. FDNY is scrambling to see who called sick on the 6th...

QAnon isn't a geographic movement, to say the least. There are cultists and messiahs on every continent.

As for MCR's friend, it's a little disingenuous to imply left-coasters are pro-crime. At most, some progressives say you shouldn't call cops on noisy neighbors or petty criminals, feeling they don't deserve to get their ass kicked (or worse). Steve's right to note how such beliefs get more traction among people who aren't on the front lines...especially when their audience is on Twitter rather than a shared hallway or neighborhood. Speaking to real people who live in heavily-policed areas gives a more nuanced picture.

A term for the Capitol Insurrectionists I saw someone use that made me chuckle was "Yeehawdists"..
But agreed - as I said above "Class is really the only remaining socially accepted thing you can discriminate based on".
Using hillbilly/redneck/whitetrash is quite equivalent to a whole set of terms I won't type here for non-white ethnic groups.
Usage of those non-white derogatory would very much get you "cancelled" by the same people for which hillbilly/redneck/whitetrash gets you a grinning thumbs up.

Broadly painting every lower class white person as responsible for the Capitol Insurrection is like broadly painting all people of Arab descent for 9/11 and similar incidents. Plus a lot of the insurrectionists were very much not rural or lower class.. flying in on private jets or driving over from blue states.. CEOs, Accountants, Lawyers, etc..

But in case I haven't made it clear - lock up every last POS who violated the law on 1/6.
And I am including those who funded/planned/incited/etc as much as people who actually were boots on the ground.

It's clear from footage that a whole set of people were basically protest tourists and just sort of milling about trespassing .. and a smaller set of people who were there to kill.

Charge them all for what they've done or planned to do.

More to the points immediately above, my favorites are the lawyers who are facing appropriate repercussions for thinking they are above the law themselves: https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/goosehead-insurance-fires-lawyer-for-role-in-capitol-breach

I still remain uneasy that many are not taking the gravity of this continuing threat seriously enough.

Better example of lawyer who thinks he is above the law: https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/giuliani-may-be-expelled-from-n-y-bar-group-over-capitol-riot

The essence of racism:

"When the perpetrators of any unlawful act that *should* frighten me look like my marginalized Uncle Bob, his wife and their not-so-bright-offspring, my reaction is not fright, but rather eye-rolling. On the other hand, when the perpetrator of an unlawful act bears no resemblance to anyone in my *family,* fear accompanies whatever other reaction I might have and may even be at the forefront."

"calling them hillbillies is somehow lessening their crime in my mind."

Washington, DC continues to be surreal. Buckle up.

I admit that I lack the sophistication of a majority of you on this forum, but I continue to be shocked and outraged that anyone could call the events of 1/6 "childish." My personal reaction was similar to what I felt when I experienced 9/11 from 12 blocks away.

This past Friday morning, a confederate flag was found tied to the entrance doors of the Holocaust Museum.
I read yesterday a GOP woman running for Staten Island borough president said heil Hitler during a protest speech against corona virus restrictions.

Looks like all kinds of unrest happening in my beloved city.

http://www.tribecatrib.com/content/confederate-flag-tied-door-museum-jewish-heritage

That is very terrifying and disheartening.

Let's hope this weekend goes smoothly.

https://therealdeal.com/national/2021/01/15/texas-realtor-faces-criminal-charges-for-role-in-capitol-attack

I wonder if any NYC realtors were down there on the capitol siege. This woman seems particularly absurd. 2 days left to get a pardon...

Looks like the country and NYC made it out alive. Civil unrest did not kill NYC real estate prices (or NYC), thankfully. Those that were expecting to worst, what are your thoughts on the state of things now? The resiliency of our country and NYC?

I hope that we continue to grow and learn from the events of the last year, that they don't just become foggy memories as we press forward.

My Greenwich-residing boss strategically placed today's Post in the office to highlight the cover story about the return of the squeegee guys.

Violence is up, QOL is down, and there's an election in June. A Jewish man was savagely beaten up by pro-Palestinian protesters recently. The wolves of hate are clearly out, and very difficult for the NYPD to corral without broad support from elected officials and the community. I don't see the forces in place for that to happen in the short-term. Let's all hope that the middle holds, and we can get through the summer without an escalation in violence.

The anti-Asian hate crime wave as well as general transit & beating up old ladies continues unabated with a few more this weekend, including..
https://nypost.com/2021/06/01/homeless-man-arrested-for-attack-on-asian-woman-in-nyc-cops/
https://nypost.com/2021/06/01/criminal-with-dozens-of-priors-busted-in-nyc-subway-attack-again/

Guy slugs a woman on Bayard St out of the blue, high out of his mind and hallucinating.. is caught and found to be his 8th arrest of the year.

You've got another guy pushing women down subway stairs, being issued desk appearance tickets.. and doing it again 6 months later.. and being released again!

DbD's NYC has leaned hard into adopting the worst of SanFrans catch&release criminal justice system and the pandemic seems to he brought out the worst in offenders.

There was also a 3rd incident this week not being treated as a hate crime because after the guy slugged an asian woman in Corona, QNS.. he went after a Latina too. Lesson learned?

Running about 4-5/week Asian hate crimes, and we aren't even in summer crime season yet.
So many of these incidents are daylight, normal business hours in relatively high traffic areas, without warning to the victim.

It's at the point my wife has me ordering self defense equipment from out of state that can't be delivered to NY. Never in 15 years has the thought crossed either of our minds here.

When David Dinkins was elected mayor he ran on a platform that highlighted the fact he would drastically increase the number of police officers in New York along with other measures to curb the high rates of crime at the time. The city was also in fairly dire straits financially, if I recall correctly... We had the mayor's father, Mario Cuomo at the helm of New York State...

https://www.nytimes.com/1990/10/03/nyregion/dinkins-on-crime-dinkins-proposes-record-expansion-of-police-forces.html

Meant to say we had the current governor's father as our governor at the time.. Mario.

It's going to be interesting what comes of the Democratic primary.
The ranked choice voting is a real wildcard, on top of the circular firing squad of progressive politics.

I think if anyone aside from Yang/Adams get the nod, Sliwa becomes more than just a longshot.
I think it's going to be Adams because no one is consolidating around Yang.

Anything can happen this summer if the dems pick a #defund nutcase in June and we have a summer worth of crime before the general election.

I think Garcia would be just fine. Hard to see anyone besides Yang, Adams, or Garcia winning anyways.

QOL is down because of the Pandemic, but I love how the Wall Street guys who aren't here now, and probably weren't here ten years ago, think the solution is more cops. I live in a precinct with plenty of cops (and, FWIW, an Asian dept. head, which I believe was groundbreaking when he was appointed) and the QOL problem isn't that we need more of them, it's that they and the citizenry have disagreements about what their priorities are. (30, can I quote you from the height of Covid characterizing policing as "I'm not getting out of my car for that?")

Similarly #defund is a priority statement from a broad swath of NYers that 1) our police don't need military grade weapons and 2) "protect and serve" is not a mandate to wreak havoc on the people. Imagine that both Chinatown AND Staten Island could be free from violence! I think that the majority of the Democrats running in the primary would sign on to that.

ali r.
ps: #TeamShaun

Unfortunately, the neighborhoods and people suffering the most violence are not the ones who have supported/passed the legislation to defund police.
The mayor and City Council have perverted justice in a trade for "civil rights", at the cost of citizen's lives
These citizens want safety

I think it is true, the majority of New Yorkers want better policing. Very few want a bail reform system that releases people out to repeatedly harm others. And truth is, most have never thought about any of these issues before and there's A LOT of nuance and a whole lot of union power to contend with before any change can happen. And clearly the cops want change too, given the rate of retirements.

Many credit the drop in crime that was experienced during the Giuliani years to the increase in # of cops, which Clinton funded. More cops doing true community policing is one way to make neighborhoods safer, in concert with the other really hard things our Democratic leaders haven't bothered to do- provide affordable housing and a living wage.

Me, what I really really want is someone to pick up the garbage. #TeamGarcia

(Maybe real estate prices would be even higher if it weren't for the QOL issues? Also, just wait until the new generation of rats that is breeding under the outdoor dining shacks hits an exponential growth rate....GV is gonna be lit!)

Oops, meant to put this here:

I wasn't living in the hood as a social experiment(my father was a factory worker). I know first hand you need cops. When I lived on ave. C in 1982 (your friend 30 will tell you what that hood looked like back then). People in the neighborhood were pissed off that the cops ignored them, 911 was literally a joke.

It's one thing to be upset about quality of life issues when you're living on the upper west side. It's another thing to be dealing with life and death issues when you live in Brownsville. Unfortunately most progressives are disconnected from the reality of the streets, however well intentioned they may be. There are just some really really bad people out there, and they need to be dealt with appropriately to keep everybody safe.

Disconnected from reality is putting it mildly. Watching it all unfold it made me realize the extent to which misinformation and propaganda has infected the left.

I'm no longer an owner so I plan to support Wily for mayor and Aboushi for DA ("she would also offer alternatives to incarceration in every case, including “serious violent crimes like murder and rape, because incarceration shouldn’t be our only solution.”).

Progressive leadership in action is the best thing imaginable for those with cash on the sidelines and a long time horizon.

“ Similarly #defund is a priority statement from a broad swath of NYers”

This couldn’t be further from the truth. A supermajority of NYC voters would like more police presence. Here’s the data:

https://twitter.com/juanmabenitez/status/1401959503994687488?s=21

Yes, I think the leftier NYers were OK with catch&release prosecution/bail policies & defund.. as long as the resulting mayhem were happening in other peoples neighborhoods.

UWS sure did not want any homeless hotels in their hood..
Downtown we have the rich liberals around Washington Sq Park who called the cops & complained about overnight mayhem in the park, so now the park is shut after hours.

Now that the crime is spilling into richer neighborhoods, parks they frequent, train lines they take and business districts they work, many are quietly changing their position on the subject of policing.

Some crime uptick is pandemic related, some is probably police stand down in response to #defund rhetoric, but a lot is also some of the 2019 era changes to bail/sentencing/etc that went in prior to pandemic as well as the elected officials making discretionary calls.

If cops arrest these guy immediately after assaults and he's back out on the streets same day.. what's the point of all this? Who's fault is that?

Many of the recent anti-Asian hate crimes committed by homeless guys with 40+ arrests to their name.. The pandemic didn't suddenly make them homeless, nor is the pandemic a good excuse for releasing them the day after they push a woman down the subway stairs (6 months after doing similar & being released same day then as well).

Speaking of narrative violation.. (unsurprising) video was released by the Anti Asian Hate Crime Task Force of one of their Asian officers on duty at Washington Sq Park being verbally harassed..

We need to rethink the new laws regarding no bail for violent crime. Wiley would be a disaster. Her misleading ads and her policy goals should make every new yorker worry. I am a bronx girl at heart, but may be done with NYC

I recently learned that there was a major crime wave here in 1919 during the Spanish flu epidemic.

Antifa types are in WSP attempting to bait cops into over-reacting, just like they did last summer. They hope for some video they can edit and get the NYTs to run on loop via their homepage, editing out the harassment and verbal abuse. It's text book. Last year, cops misbehaved after being spit on, taunted, etc, which they endured while exhausted from protecting the rights of the true peaceful protesters, of which there were many...and any of us would likely snap as well, but sooner and at much higher rates.

Also: Lol diddy.

I am very hopeful for improved quality of life and Manhattan real estate values. People are finally becoming more vocal against lawlessness and NYC politicians have started to listen.

Once Adams is in office, things will change

The NYPD will be supported by a mayor who cares about safe streets and the citizens will breathe a sigh of relief that DeBlasio is no longer in a position to destroy this city

Looking forward to a safer NYC