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No Bedrooms?

Started by ScoobySnax
over 4 years ago
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Discussion about 69 West 106th Street #1C
There's no bedrooms shown and the floor plans don't seem conducive to using either space as a bedroom. Perhaps this should be listed as a studio...
Response by George
over 4 years ago
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Why is the lower level not a bedroom? Seems to meet the requirements for size, ventilation, and egress.

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Response by INTBuyer
over 4 years ago
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@George: Because NYC says you cannot sleep in a cellar.

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Response by KeithBurkhardt
over 4 years ago
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Yes, a sort of archaic law from the 'good old days' when landlords would rent out cellars with no ventilation, dirt floors etc.

We recently discovered this problem in a beautifully renovated 'cellar' in a very nice Brooklyn brownstone condominium. They will allow for a toilet but no full bathroom as well, if the lower level is defined as a cellar. I believe it depends on what portion of the room is below grade?

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Response by INTBuyer
over 4 years ago
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TBG is dead on. Half or more of the height of the floor below curb elevation constitutes a cellar. Otherwise, basement. There are exceptions if the lot is sloped but you won’t see that in Manhattan.

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Response by INTBuyer
over 4 years ago
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Also I didn’t realize there was a full bath in this cellar! Totes illegal.

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Response by 300_mercer
over 4 years ago
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The cellar definition by DOB has some issues. It defines cellar as anything more than 50% below grade as measured from the street level even if the back of the cellar is at the same level with a 1000 sq ft garden with plenty of natural light, ventilation and adequate ceiling height. This one fits into one of those situations. While likely illegal bedroom by DOB standards, it seems to meet the safety standards.

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Response by George
over 4 years ago
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I stand corrected. CofO says the three rec rooms "shall not be used for sleeping.". So this is a big studio.

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Response by INTBuyer
over 4 years ago
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Looks like streeteasy fixed it.

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Response by UptownSpecialist
over 4 years ago
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I viewed this apartment a couple of years back. Thought it was an interesting apartment- but yes, by definition the recreation room is not a bedroom. In reality- most people that are buying something like this will use the cellar space as a bedroom- and it's a great space for a lot of buyers, but certainly not for everyone.

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