Never saw that before

Don't see a link to the listing with the photos, but:

Short walk from the front door to drop off the groceries? Using it as a coat rack & shoe storage?

Self-service for cocktail hour guests?

Now that everybody is showing off their kitchen, by having it be open to the LR, why not show off the ingredients as well?

With open kitchen, it is not unusual to walk into the aparmtent and have fridge within 6 feet of entry. A big part of open kitchen and eliminate dining room is to make the same square footage feel more open and big and have less wasted spaces in "Foyer". I understand that not everone likes it but that is more or less the standard now. Here is an example in a real "luxury" building.
https://streeteasy.com/building/the-park-millennium/sale/1678021

"luxury"!

Other examples of Fridge in the foyer. At 1800 per sq ft.

https://streeteasy.com/building/zeckendorf-towers/p15d

Re the Park Millennium plan: who wants to bet that the 21' cited for the BR is from the window to the bathroom door, (true, but not effectively useful), vs to the wall of the WIC (also true, and more useful). Not bad finishes though (for white).

Separately, I don't think a 'foyer' is automatically wasted space -- it's a landing/take off spot for coming/going from the apartment, and can be a transition area between rooms that helps delineate public/private space (a strong concern of Candela's). I might actually reconfig the Park.Mill. apt to wall off the kitchen, make the entry area a bit larger, and have it open onto the entry and the LR - it's windowed, so wouldn't be a cave. In the BR, ditch the tiny closet, narrow the WIC, put a door at the end, and call it 'dressing area'. The place has been through at least 1 price chop over 142 days, so maybe some architecture fixes are in order ?

>I don't think a 'foyer' is automatically wasted space

If you think a foyer is wasted space, your bed probably touches 3 walls.

Aaron, I understand what you are staying about utility of the foyer but when having a 8x6 foyer will reduce a 12x20 living room to 12x16 living room, people make choices. Many developers starting in 1960 decided to forego foyer and you enter into the living room/kitchen area directly to save space.
Millennium listing not selling is more of an artifact of slow market / price rather than configuration as that is the original design of the building.

Homes need a foyer. Apartments in buildings with doormen don't necessarily.

Personally I love an old prewar classic 8 or 10 with a grand foyer/gallery. But in a modern build it's not quite as necessary.

I agree if you have an grand 6+ room apartment, there is plenty of space available for Foyer and most people wouldn't like it without a foyer. However, for 650-700 sq 1 bedroom and 950/1100 sq ft 2 bedroom/2 bath some thing has to give to squeeze those bedrooms in and get bathrooms large enough to comply with the code and it is usually the foyer first with kitchen becoming a part of the living room.

How is this one for foyer lovers? Inlet and exhaust are mixed to compound the issue.

https://streeteasy.com/building/one57-condominium/36-d?context%5Bcontroller%5D=%23%3CBuildingController%3A0x00007f4735661e20%3E&context%5Bcurrent_user%5D=1004028&hide_if_empty=true&section=sales&separate_sponsors=false

"Apartments in buildings with doormen don't necessarily." What, guests take their coats off in the lobby?

The plus of the 'foyer' and layout of the referenced 36D is that it's easy for the guests to drop off their dirty dishes in the kitchen sink on the way out the door after the dinner party. And that's the only nice thing I can say about the floorplan.

Ha. Even this proponent of open kitchen found 36D layout in ultra-luxury building sub optimal for the asking price range. The problem they likely faced is how to utilize a large windowless space at the entry.

And asking $3.3m for a south facing unit (meh views). Note that it's been on the market for quite a while, and they haven't updated the tax situation (appears to quote the old rate). Meanwhile, I'd like a bit of whatever the owner of 32a is smoking.

Hadn't looked at 32A. One would think a developer at this price point and square footage of 1000 for 1 bed room will provide a large enough entry coat closet and a separate W/D closet rather than cramming the two together.

how about this for a foyer in a 1 bed
https://streeteasy.com/building/200-amsterdam-avenue-new_york/23c?showcase=1

Looks like they had too much space and not enough windows so you end up with this bizarre floorpan.
The better question is - who is the customer for $14k rent on this?

The best question is - does the listing broker who describes it as "the only 1 bedroom with study at 200 Amsterdam" notice her own other listing in the same building, in the same line, with the same floorpan? LOL..

It’s always a bad sign when the photos of the actual unit come after photos of the common space. Also of bad form: the 18C listing uses photos of the “view” from 23C, which looks into an adjacent building but from a better elevation.

I am guessing the customer here is a combination of:

1) Has young child and views study as an extra bedroom.

2) Feels like they must live on the UWS, for whatever reason.

3) Places great importance on “brand new” but little on light, architecture, bones.

4) Views the arrangement as one-time (“just a year”) rather than longer-term.

I am always perplexed by situations where people pay more ppsf than I do / ever have for space that is so drastically inferior. I think it’s probably because they box themselves into a corner.

Probably a hotel substitute. In addition, 1 bedroom rental market is probably the tightest of all segments as there are not that many new condos with 1 bedrooms.

No comment on the 200 Amsterdam floorplans, but I will admit that we implemented this blasphemy in our current pre-war apartment for the following reason: The apartment is a 2/2 with special living room, two excellent bedrooms, and two excellent bathrooms.

The apartment never had a proper dining room, but did have a disproportionately large windowless foyer that apparently made sense for the widow/widower/confirmed bachelor/spinster this apartment was designed for back in the day per the architect that did our renovation. Apparently that foyer was a waiting/receiving room for the owner or something like that.

We removed the wall between the foyer and the narrow windowed galley kitchen to make a larger kitchen that is effectively what you walk into when you enter the apartment (although there is a proper coat closet, and the architect did a brilliant job of making it all feel okay - to us at least).

In any event, when you walk through the front door of our apartment, you are only steps away from the refrigerator on your right, with no barrier between you and it. Definitely unconventional, but we love the way the apartment turned out and would engage the architect again. He exceeded our expectations in implementing every item from our wish list in both the form and function. The newly expanded kitchen can be closed off from the living room via double doors, but the double doors can also be left open if one prefers an open floorplan.

In 200 A'dam, 23C, what exactly is the point of having 2 full baths in a 1 BR? It's as if the architect/builder *expected* that the windowless 'study' would end up being illegally used as bedroom, thus the need for another full bath. Or they expected such filthy goings on in the living room that 2 baths were needed for everybody to clean up. This offends me. (the apparent wink wink encouragement of illegal use, not the goings on).

That said, put a door on that 'study' and I could get behind the floorplan as a reasonably good layout for somebody doing a lot of WFH. At some point, NYC will probably cave in on the 'bedrooms must have a window' rule, and this place will be well positioned as the hot new rabbit hutch.

>In 200 A'dam, 23C, what exactly is the point of having 2 full baths in a 1 BR?
Interestingly, neither bath has a bathtub.

>being illegally used as bedroom
Illegal to USE as a bedroom?

>Or they expected such filthy goings on in the living room that 2 baths were needed for everybody to clean up.
At $14K and have to pass a condo board application?

>somebody doing a lot of WFH
Who wants to work from a tiny windowless room?

>the 18C listing uses photos of the “view” from 23C,
How can you tell it's 23C - I didn't see view photos in 23C's listing

>photos of the actual unit come after photos of the common space.
And the gym focuses on those especially strange elliptical machines.
The pool is nice

Aaron,

On the rule change to window less bedroom, it woud make sense if the building has sprinklers and is mechanically ventilated. This one will check both boxes. However, owners will use it as they see fit and not sure study not being a legal bedroom will prevent them from using as a bedroom if they so wished. And with two full baths, that is what the developer is looking for.

>>It’s always a bad sign when the photos of the actual unit come after photos of the common space<<

haha true dat.

>> How can you tell it's 23C - I didn't see view photos in 23C's listing

Google Earth & counting floors. This is the last floor before the first building setback, facing east.

The fire dept would have to ok listing a windowless bedroom which is doubtful. The point of the window is egress.

From the 23rd floor?

https://gothamist.com/news/do-bedrooms-need-windows-mayor-adams-floats-controversial-office-to-apartment-conversions

Fire departments can't reach windows that high up any way. The key is functioning sprinklers every 8 feet which put out the most of the fires before fire departments get there. Air has to be mechanically ventilated which is why most people don't open the windows in high-rises.

Natural light is a legitimate concern but if you are just sleeping you have window shades drawn anyway.

For fun:
https://www.gotokyo.org/en/story/guide/a-guide-to-capsule-hotels-in-japan/index.html

@stache: I think the argument about egress made a lot more sense when buildings had substantial amounts of wood construction and were 6 stories high. I don't think the firemen are going to be putting their ladders up to the 23rd floor to rescue the tenants. (How high do those ladders go, anyway?) But that's why there is modern 'fire resistant' construction, sprinklers, evacuation plans and all that (not to mention air conditioning & better ventilation). All those updated methods may ultimately be cited as the reason that a windowless room could be acceptable as a bedroom, particularly if there is pressure on the city to increase the number of places where people can live. 4 adults could live in 23C if there were revised egress requirements (and relaxed HUD standards). At the moment, only 2 can. Is this a 'good' solution to a housing crunch? Not really, but it's a path that developers might want the city to go down.