Obama Biden kind of looks like Osama Bin Laden

not really - i'm talking about direct actions versus associations with people who are not even his contemporaries. . .book burning (see info about the librarian she tried to fire and the community press reports), environmental (i think there is some legislation which doesnt designate polar bears to be endangered, drilling in ANWR), anti-abstinence (we have discussed), anti-choice (we have discussed). With Obama, you are talking about some associations that have been made versus actions taken. Ohh he's brown, so load up all the images - fear. . .that's what your comments are.

Anyway honestly - like the bridge to nowhere - we dont agree so this is a futile discussion. . .next.

heres an action taken...sitting in Jeremiah Wright's "church" for 20 years.
heres another action taken...launching your political career from William Ayers home

but I agree it is most futile...I was just trying to make the point that anyone can smear anyone else and there is little that can be done

Those actions didn't affect anyone - again Ayers committed crimes in a different era (and how old was Obama then). . .again associations. .. but if you want to continue that - your lady's husband was in the AIP (loook up what that stands for). That's her bedmate (literally). Over and out. this is getting old.

committed crimes in a different era? Does that excuse one from said crimes? Charles Manson committed crimes in a different era...hes still a crazy f**k. I'm not trying to link Obama to the Weather Underground...merely that it says a lot about his judgement. I personally don't want to be friends with people who planted bombs anywhere. And those actions might not have affected anyone yet, but if he becomes President...well I don't want items on Trinity Church's agenda to all of a sudden make the national agenda. We have exactly the same views...just of two different people.

check out sarah's church on youtube. . .they may have different target groups, but similar type of sermons. . ..they even went offline b/c too many hits with the videos. it is now on youtube b/c people ripped them before they disappeared. But she isn't maybe as into science so she goes along with most of it (like creationism should be taught in schools etc.).

Ok this is a real time sink. The point is - we have come to different conclusions. It is not worth the two of us discussing this further.

Sizzlack are you also upset with McCains association with Keating?

it is something I take into account...I dont just dismiss something like that. However I do not find it more troubling than a Jeremiah Wright for instance.
In my view both candidates are flawed...and I will be voting more against one than I am voting for the other.

Before George W. Bush was elected (the first time) I told my GWB zealot friend that I feared his election since I knew he would start a war. My friend dismissed my concerns and later asked me 'how did I know?'(My friend has since turned into a rabid George Bush opponent after his extensive portfolio was significantly reduced behind the Bush administration.)
I now know that if John McCain is elected we ain't seen nothing yet. He will be far worse than George Bush. At least GWB just wanted to avenge his father and show what a great kid he is (actually his father was much smarter and a much better president-thought I'd never say that); John McCain, on the other hand, is still fighting a war from years ago. His first response to any challenge is to fight. Very scary. And guess what? Ultimately we cannot win at that game. Between the Middle East,China and the deterioration of our own army, we will definitely be on the losing end. Anyone who tells you differently is lying to you! Can we really afford this? Only the future of our country is at stake. John McCain/Palin (with a very narrow viewpoint) is our ticket to destruction.

I think that we should listen to John McCain and "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran"

Starting another War in the middle east is exactly what we need to do to help our standing in the world, and kick start our economy. Besides what else would all those 18 year old American boys do if they are not shipped off to fight a War in Iran? Probably waste time at a local community college or University.

Also I believe Sarah Palin when she says that the War in Iraq is God's Will and also that the oil pipeline through Canada is also God's Doing. God bless our Wars and Oil production.

"Maybe we should leave family planning expertise to the Europeans, and the US can continue to handle people like Hitler."

Yes, places like Iceland which have the highest per capita incidence of unwed motherhood in the "industrialized world" put us to shame. If you have ever lived or spent any amount of time in various parts of Europe, which doubtless you have, you surely must have seen that the myth of the sophisticated worldly European is just that. A myth. To be sure, food and wine are enjoyable in many parts and the people are often bilingual, but then that because they have to be. I'd add that there's a large populace of bilingual persons in the US as well and the US is roughly 3 times the size of Europe and most of the folks on the East Coast have never ventured beyond the Pennsylvania Turnpike other than flying over it.

But its great to think that you would rather adopt European values of social behavior while allowing their political depravity to be mopped up on the backs of the American worker. A solid platform no doubt. 500,000 men and boys who never made it home from WW II applaud you.