Major appliances

Depends on how expensive per sq ft the price in NYC. If you are $1000 or so per sq ft, none of these fancy ones add value. Bosch is pretty good for this type. There is a 30" Miele refrigerator which is priced well.

Thanks 300. No, more. So the more expensive psf the less fancy appliances add value? Interesting! Why is that?

Add value of what type, and to whom? A few of my appliances are quite valuable to me (see other thread about the Frigidaire induction top), but somebody less interested in cooking will say 'meh'. The quality and aesthetics of the appliances are in-line with the rest of the kitchen decor, so there's not a status mismatch - if you're going with hand carved and finished door panels for the cabinetry, then go for the Sub-Zero with the custom panel insert. I don't consider resale value, as I've already been in the place 10 years, and plan at least another 5, if not 10, so the value proposition is focused on my current needs - there are not enough hours in the day to obsess over the mindset of some mythical future buyer. If you want your guests to swoon in awe over your kitchen, then go crazy with the budget, but unless you're also cooking and entertaining at that level, they'll snicker about it on the way home.

I’ve put many a new appliance in a property I was planning to sell. In my opinion, as long as it’s fairly new and stainless steel, and a brand name people will recognize, people really don’t care. Keep in mind this is for properties under $1 million. For really luxury properties, it maybe worthwhile for having truly high end appliances, but for the vast majority of properties, even in NYC, people won’t care if it’s GE vs Gaggenau, as long as it’s new and stainless steel. White appliances are a turn off, no matter if brand new

Oh they do. Try putting GE in a new condo priced as low at $1500 per sq ft. Gaggenau price point is really for ultra-luxury.

"even in NYC, people won’t care if it’s GE vs Gaggenau,"

The functionality of the high-end appliance matters... a Sub-Zero is a name that people recognize, but also, for a cook, the ability to open French doors on a fridge and see everything is a functionality that one door refrigerators don't have. OTOH people who have had to repair a high-end range may actually be a little leery of them.

I cook all the time and I love my Bosch range to pieces -- It has a pasta burner, a sauce burner, other burners with a good range, a reliable oven -- what else do you want?

Imagine a small 2 bedroom apartment in cheap area of Bronx at $400k. Will the buyer really want to pay $415k if you put a sub-zero? 99% of peple would like to spend the extra $15k money on better flooring, kitchen cabinets in better shape, repair what is broken, or take a stainless steel $2000 fridge and pay $402k.

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Thanks 300. No, more. So the more expensive psf the less fancy appliances add value? Interesting! Why is that?

It’s my impression not many NY’ers actually really use their kitchen to cook at all…at least based on the number of near-miss Ubereat and Doordash delivery drivers collisions that I have to endure on a daily basis living in this wonderful city. And as a very enthusiastic and pretty decent baker, I can tell you a GE/Frigidaire oven/range does the job of baking a cake or soufflé, or making a big batch of pastry cream just as well as a five times more expensive Gaggenau or Wolf range. Having gas vs electric is key and I would much rather pay for a little more counter space and kitchen cabinets since my kitchen is tiny. Even the very ultra wealthy I would imagine eat out in fancy restaurants far more often than cooking in their own kitchen. So in my opinion, the advantage of the high end appliances is mostly bragging rights…you can boast to all your friends how fancy and expensive your dishwasher is while you are eating out at some fancy restaurant and….not even using your awesome appliances

Turbo, I understand what you are saying. Gap does the job of clothing just fine but people pay for Gucci and Prada. For refrigerator, cost difference is driven by built-in vs counter-depth. Cooling is just fine in Bosch counter-depth. But if you get built-in Bosch Benchmark, you will pay 3x counter-depth. People do cook in NYC. Just depends on the situtation - married with kids (likely yes), 80 hours work week and single (likely no).

in Manhattan, materials and appliances cost very little compared to each square inch of space. So saving a few dollars on materials really is not worth it.

Budget appliances will not meet buyer expectations and might be a turn off. On the other hand, a buyer of an old coop studio would not be expecting ultra luxury either. So I would pick a safe mid-tier option.

if your galley kitchen is only seven feet wide, you need a built in refrigerator to be able to open the door of the refrigerator completely. No matter the brand, the price is double or triple that of a standard size refrigerator. the standard kitchen cabinets are 24 inches deep as is a built in refrigerator , a standard size refrigerator on can be up to 36 inches deep , counter debt ones are about 30 inches deep. If your galley kitchen is only seven feet wide when you buy a built in size refrigerator you are paying for function and style

Thanks I somehow missed all these. I'd say it's an unassuming little coop. Really liked the two board members that interviewed me. There's a new super, no doorman. Looking at other listings in the past, you can see no one has done very much with their kitchen. It's gas all around and no name appliances. Me - I'm all over the map: Wolf has a clever two-burner cooktop where the burners are offset for better space management: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Empava-24-in-Single-Gas-Wall-Oven-in-Stainless-Steel-with-Convection-and-Knob-Controls-EMP-24WO08/317012689
Guessing it costs the same as a full, no-name range. Otherwise JennAir makes a decent looking two burner 15,000 btus per burner for $1250. The sticking point is the oven. If electric wall is OK, I'm happy. There are compact 24'' no-name gas ovens - news to me: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Empava-24-in-Single-Gas-Wall-Oven-in-Stainless-Steel-with-Convection-and-Knob-Controls-EMP-24WO08/317012689 I just don't want to start over when LL97 kicks in. Between tarriffs and labor market, probably the worst possible time to renovate.

MTH, Just get Bosch for cooking and end your confusion. They have all different types and great service and reasonable prices. Speed oven is worth considering if you can get electric upgrade.

https://www.ajmadison.com/c/wall-ovens/?attributes.fuel_type=Electric&attributes.walloven_type=Speed%7EOven&brands=Bosch&sort=products_price_asc_02

I personally would not put in a gas appliance in 2025. We now know the gas fumes are very bad for you.

I know some people "love cooking on gas". Whatever. Some people like to smoke tobacco. I am not one of them.

“I personally would not put in a gas appliance in 2025. We now know the gas fumes are very bad for you.”

Can you provide some scientific studies supporting your claim or is this just your opinion? I would like to know I’m not killing myself by boiling some water for tea on my gas stove today

Btw, do you feel living In Manhatten with all the car and bus fumes is also bad for you? Maybe your life expectancy can be improved by moving to a farm In Nebraska….

Sorry for the sarcasm, but if gas stoves were really hazardous to your health, we’d have a big, big problem in this country

Gas cooking without any ventiliation is the issue not the gas cooking. Opening the window by a couple of inches during cooking is all you need when cooking if you don't have vent in the kitchen.

There was a Stanford study a couple of years back where the conclusions were drawn without ventilation hood in the kitchen or opening the windows in the house except normal air leakage. Clearly gas would be less healthy vs electric cooking.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/30/climate/gas-stove-pollution-danger.html

Sorry don't have subsciption to NYT. What does the article say?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/30/climate/gas-stove-pollution-danger.html?unlocked_article_code=1.QU8.sJA2.YlZVsxwpJnR2&smid=url-share

Gift article link

Real study funded by WHO.
https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S2213-2600%2823%2900427-7

Thank you for the article Krolik. So the article says, once you crack open the window, much much better. Or if you have a hood with a working exhaust vent which most NYC buildings built in the last 50 years do have.

Curious to know what electricity bills might be before and after installing an induction cooktop in NYC. Someone on this board mentioned that electricity is more expensive in NY. I have noticed it where I am since I started using an induction hotplate. There's a steep increase at a certain number of kWh and it has, in certain months, doubled my electricity bill.

But does MTH have a window next to the stove top or a hood that vents to the outside?

MTH, Gas is included in the coop bill and you pay for electric. Coned in NYC is ridiculously expensive. 3kw usage 1 one hour per day is $1.15 per day (35-40c per KWH). So $45 per month extra.

Krolik, You can crack open any window in the apartment for an hour when you cook. I open a big window fully for 10 minutes when cooking despite having a powerful vent hood to the outside. It is good for you anyway even with electric cooking. Germans even have a ritual where they open the windows daily.

@Krolik There's decent cross ventilation - two courtyard facing windows draw from a tiny bathroom window in to the narrow space between our building and the next one over.

@300 Yes, I'm not even living there, just the fridge is running and I'm paying $65/mo.

“ Yes, I'm not even living there, just the fridge is running and I'm paying $65/mo.”

That seems high. We have ConEd and we pay around $80-90 per month for a 600 square foot one bedroom (assuming we don’t use AC which when we do really jacks up our electric bill) we have all the typical major appliances and we use them constantly as we rarely eat out. We also work from home which should contribute to a higher electric bill. Yes it’s more than other cities, i pay $40-50 in SF for a bigger one bedroom with similar appliances

I was wrong it's gas and electric. $36/mo for gas must be the monthly base charge. ~$30 for electricity is the basic service charge + the fridge at .55 kWh/day. It's fine but does make you think twice about what it might be with a couple induction burners and various kitchen gadgets and AC.

turbo your bills seem crazy low

“turbo your bills seem crazy low”

Yes for two people that work from home and don’t eat out a lot (ie, we use our kitchen a lot). We have those PTAC units for heating and cooling and we rarely use them for either heat in winter or AC in summer. Those things do suck alot of energy. of course, we will have to start using our AC for next several days so I’m betting our next ConEd bill will be significantly higher

My building just installed gas detectors in every kitchen. I wonder if my snake plants are helping clean any fumes.

This is how little I know about electricity: I just learned power does not equal energy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOK5xkFijPc&ab_channel=TechnologyConnections
And energy used while cooking is probably a rounding error. So certain devices might need a lot of power - they use energy quickly (rate) but they don't consume a lot of energy.
Also: LL 97 doesn't apply to buildings of less than 25,000 square feet.