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Interesting Take on Why Wall Street Missed the Housing Bust...

Started by nyc10022
over 17 years ago
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http://www.observer.com/2008/real-estate/wall-street-was-blinded-bouyant-local-housing-market-economist Economist: Local Housing Market Blinded Voracious Wall Streeters by Dana Rubinstein Could the, until recently, ever-skyrocketing housing market in New York City have blinded Wall Street to the turmoil already afflicting the rest of the nation? Barbara Denham, chief economic for real estate... [more]
Response by West81st
over 17 years ago
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She's overthinking the question, and she winds up getting the chain of causation backwards. Ill-advised (but lucrative) securitization business fueled the Manhattan real estate market, not the other way around.

Once an i-bank had set up the machinery for a conduit, everyone involved was motivated to feed the beast - even after 2005, when the handwriting was on the nationwide wall. For people in the business, the alternative to ongoing churn was: no loans, no bonds, no bonus (and maybe no job). Pretty simple, especially since the rating agencies kept blessing the deals.

When people get paid on volume and are removed from the consequences of turning out crap, they tend to skimp on quality control. That's as true in mortgage underwriting and securitization as it is in an Indonesian sweatshop.

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Response by uptowngal
over 17 years ago
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Member since: Sep 2006

The author either distorts the facts or doesn't get NYC real estate dynamics, it's as if she's thinking that Wall Streeters have been turning a blind eye in their own back yard by not allowing local RE to sink like the rest of the country.

Some important facts she's omitted:

(1) Most (like 70%?) buildings are coops, which, with their strict rules against risky mortgages have prevented Manhattan from sinking

(2) The foreclosure process in NYS is much longer and arduous than in the rest of the country, which is why the rate has been lower than the national average.

(3) A weak dollar has driving up the price of condos being purchased by foreigners.

Could the author's point be that because of these factors, people on Wall St were unaware of what's been going on in the rest of the country? All she had to do was read some of the past message boards on streeteasy to find out how many bankers last year insisted on holding off until the market shakes out.

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