Old New York is back

What does this have to do with crime? Cars go up in flames all the time due to mechanical problems, like spark plugs.

faulty spark plugs I should add.

alpine292, look at the actual picture. parts of the car are missing. this was clearly the result of vandalism. moreover, have you ever been to that area? it's gotten pretty dangerous in the past year or so.

Criminals don't torch cars. They STEAL them! Seriously, this is not Detroit people.

All of the car parts that are missing were burned in the fire: tires, fabric, leather... those all burn.

Old New York was a fabulous place.

How many of you old NY bashers even know that our first President was inaugurated in NYC?

OH MY LORD IS RUFUS STUPID.

I think its stupid, but this is a group's recurring art project...

> this was clearly the result of vandalism

Rufus, would you just shut the fuck up already. You clearly have NO idea what you are talking about...

yep, and I saw a Porsche on Lake Shore Drive go up in flames while visiting 3 weeks ago. clear sign that the apocolypse is upon us. run rufus run!

nyc10022, you're a moron. that was the result of vandalism, plain and simple, not some "artwork" or "accident." You need to wake up and smell the coffee. This financial crisis is leading to increase in crime throughout NYC.

so someone torches a car in Brooklyn, and all of a sudden we're experiencing a massive crime wave? Rufus don't you know that we could find one of a handful of murders that took place in Chicago in the last 24-48 hours as proof of the same in your favorite place? But why bother it wont change anything.

My friend's bimmer burst into flames when he was stopped at an intersection. He got out right away, but the car was totaled. I'm sure if he had expensive rims, and they weren't damaged in the inferno, he would have salvaged them.

so

Cracker Boy, you're a moron. The starting of this thread was the only thing that was the result of vandalism, plain and simple, not "artwork" or "accident." You need to wake up and stop smelling the glue.

Rufus - Have YOU ever been to brooklyn? Have YOU ever been to NYC?

As one of the people at Curbed responded:

"I live by this area. This car is in an area where there are a number of auto repair shops, it very well may be that this car was towed there to be worked on at one of these shops, and that it has nothing to do with the "old new york coming back". I have seen crashed and burned cars which are waiting to be wroked on parked along this area for a long time. Its nothing new, and most likely is not what at all what curbed is trying to represent that is is."

You so naive....

waverly, yes i've been to brooklyn many times. and that borough is barely better than south side Chicago. Compared to lincoln park or gold coast, it's a disgusting toilet.

Cracker Boy, specifically where in Brooklyn have you been?

Chicago is a perfect imitation of Rio de Janeiro's favelas. Case closed!

i've been to dumbo, williamsburg, cobble hill, and park slope.

You'll be safer in Baghdad than in Chicago!

When the Cubs finally win a World Series, I'll start sweating NYC going down the tube.

Okay, Cracker Boy. Describe each neighborhood in detail. What are the essential differences between each? What is each known for?

Love it! NYC was becoming too gentrified anyways. A little grittiness would do it some good.

cleanslate - actually, you might be safer in Iraq than in Chicago. Chicago's murder rate is soaring and almost as many people have been killed in Chicago this year than in Iraq. Interestingly enough, most of the victims are actually happier to be dead than living in an also-ran city.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-chicago-murders-upaug07,0,260187.story

cleanslate, how do you explain Chicago being so much cleaner and more upscale than NYC?

rufus why are you so insecure about Chicago?

Since when, rufus? Since the homeless freely roam in every corner of Chicago and pretty much the first folks you see when you get out of your hotel? Since your public transportation hasn't been updated since the '70s so it has a vintage charm that includes dimly lit stations and rickety trains?

I stand corrected. You're just a little worse than the squatters' area in Mumbai and a little more dangerous than Mogadishu.

Rufus, it's pretty easy to explain: Chicago is neither cleaner nor more upscale than NYC.

yeah, the south side of chicago sucks; lot of housing projects and murders. no one is denying that.

but the more relevant comparison is looking at places like gold coast, lincoln park, river north, etc., and comparing it to NYC neighborhoods like upper east, upper west, chelsea, village, tribeca, etc. And by that count, Chicago wins by a mile. It's cleaner, has better nightlife options, and more attractive and interesting people.

Cracker Boy, pay careful attention and absorb each part of this sentence to the best of your ability:
The Chicago Tribune rated Chicago the dirtiest city in the US.

chicago - pale, overweight, Kohl's shopping, arby's eating midwesterners playing "big town"
nyc - the "big town"

Mayberry was also clean and safe.

G'd nite, Andy.

Ok, so, NYC is not for everyone - we get it. You have different taste. But why can't you just let it go? Honestly, no one in NYC really cares that much about Chicago one way or another. If you love it, terrific! But comparing it to NYC just makes Chicago seem even lamer and gives Chicago-lovers a bad name... You are doing a grave disservice, young man.

"and more attractive and interesting people"

Enlightened by you as an example, rufus, I can conclude without a doubt that Chicago CANNOT have more attractive and interesting people than any city in the US. You're too much of a loser, dude! Misery definitely loves company, huh?

I have to admit though, no city is more inferior to NY than Chicago. You are a perfect example!

I'll interpret Rufusspeak... he's actually said these things:

> It's cleaner
It has alleys (no, I'm not kidding, he's already said this is what he meant)

> has better nightlife options
(nothing said to support this)

> and more attractive and
He has said that this is because they wear dockers and no baseball hats. I'm not kidding.

> interesting people.
It doesn't have black people or artists. Yes, he said this.

> rufus why are you so insecure about Chicago?

This was also discussed. The consensus seems to be that he had a crappy job in NYC, and couldn't really afford a decent apartment or decent restaurants, and then lost that job, and has to move back in with mom in Indiana.

oO, its a plain case of sour grapes, as in he really didn't want to be here in the first place.

Is that a picture of the Straight Talk Express?

I just realized the big rufus problem... he doesn't own a dictionary...

up·scale /adj. ˈʌpˈskeɪl; v. ʌpˈskeɪl; n. ˈʌpˌskeɪl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[adj. uhp-skeyl; v. uhp-skeyl; n. uhp-skeyl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation adjective, verb, -scaled, -scal·ing, noun Informal.
–adjective 1. located at, moving toward, or of or for the upper end of a social or economic scale: The boutique caters to upscale young career people.
2. luxurious, costly, or elegant.
–verb (used with object) 3. to improve the quality, value, or rating of: a five-year plan to upscale the neighborhood.
–noun 4. (used with a plural verb) elegant, elite, privileged persons collectively (usually prec. by the): shops that only the upscale can afford to patronize.

Lets see... NYC is more expensive. Anyone who can afford NYC can buy in Chicago with pocket change. Socially and economically, NYC dwarfs Chicago.

Hell, even the dictionary thinks Chicago sucks...

nyc1002, no one doubts that chicago is cleaner than nyc. in chicago you don't see giant piles of garbage bags lying around on street corners. in nyc, it's a reality of life.

in an earlier post, i mentioned specific Chicago nightclubs that are better than NYC's, and no one could offer a response.

Chicago has more attractive women because all the hot girls from the Big 10 schools and a decent number from SEC schools, move there. NYC gets the ugly ivy league chicks, along with other northeastern schools. By and large, those girls just aren't as attractive as the midwestern and southern women.

Once again, you are an idiot who knows nothing about anything outside of NYC.

When I went to Chicago, I saw all of these city residents dumping their garbage out of windows onto the sidewalks below. Oddly enough, it wasn't considered littering as it was part of a government-mandated city beautification project.

> Chicago has more attractive women because all the hot girls from the Big 10 schools and a decent
> number from SEC schools, move there.

Yes, fat girls from PenN State and University of Illinois are SO much hotter than supermodels, not to mention the regular all just plain damn hot models.

Oh yeah, and lets not forget that the hottest chicks from U Michigan and such make it here, Chicago gets the leftovers who weren't hot enough to get rich boyfriends...

And the best of the UC chicks. And florida chicks.

Yes, the chubby Purdue girls are SO much hotter.

Fun Fact: Chicago has the country's highest rate of syphilis infections.

someone devoted an entire blog to why Chicago sucks...

http://darcsfalcon.wordpress.com/anti-chicago/

I wasn't going to engage, but, did Rufus actually just say Chicago has better looking women than NYC becasue hot gorls from the Big 10 schools and SOME girls from the SEC live there? What do you read for your refernce materials Playboy's Girls From The Big 10?

Seriously, time to move off into the sunset in Hammond and call it a day....

> What do you read for your refernce materials Playboy's Girls From The Big 10?

LOL.

Plus, pizza delivery women are always hot in his "reference" movies...

nyc10022, these models you talk about are a TINY percentage of the female population in NYC. And you're absolutely wrong when you say that the hottest chicks from Big 10 schools or UC or florida move to NYC. These girls usually stay in their home regions and settle down a few years after college. They have no interest in moving to NYC. I think you've been watching way too many sex and the city episodes.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cscity.pdf

Gee...I don't think the bad ole days of NYC are really back. I know the city invested a fortune in information technology for crime fighting during Rudy's and Mike's terms in office- I recall seeing a 5-10 minute video from IBM touting how they helped transform the NYPD via technology- I think that video can be found on You-Tube.

"These girls usually stay in their home regions and settle down a few years after college."

Rufus, you've never had a girl talk to you in your life... so shut the fuck up already. We all know you're in your mom's basement masturbating to sex and the city and the Girls of the Big 10 playboy issue. Anybody worth their salt got out of the midwest as soon as they could; the fat girls and you remain.

You think the cows in Chicago are hot, not to mention there isn't a stat you haven't been able to get backard, so you've got absolutely no credibility...

anyone notice the squigee guys are back by the tunnels

And lets not forget that Chicago is top 10 fattest in the nation... don't know how anyone can miss that fact.

But maybe rufus likes the porkers...

nyt00, yes the squigee guys are back, and there are a lot more homeless people around than back in 2006.

Definitely Cracker Boy likes the porkers.

And did you know that Chicago's nickname is "Hog Butcher for the World"? It's the truth; it's actual.

alanhart, you're wrong again! i like natural blondes who are fit and don't smoke. Unfortunately, those girls are rare in NYC. Pale anorexic chicks who smoke a pack a day but think they're hot because of their gucci bags, are not really my cup of tea (or most normal straight men, for that matter).

Cracker Boy,

How nice for you that "most normal straight men" are not really your "cup of tea", but I don't see why you're posting that on a public discussion board . . . did someone suggest that most of them are?

Also, in your second sentence, you left out the words "to be tied" before the part about "and don't smoke". Careful proofreading is important, but I think most people understood what you meant in this case.

I saw way way more smoking in Chicago than I ever did in NY, and perhaps things have changed, but I believe smoking is still permitted in Chicago sports bars and dance barns, so we can put two and two together and wonder why straw-headed fat two-pack-a-day smokers are your "cup of tea".

One more thing, Cracker Boy. When you talk about "hot" girls at the nightspots you frequent in Chicago . . . um . . . what's the discreet way to ask this? . . . you realize, don't you, that by day those are "not" girls?

rufus:
It's cleaner, has better nightlife options, and more attractive and interesting people.

What time is last call in Chicago?

Frank Sinatra sang about New York. Who sang about Chicago?

The movie Secret of My Success with Michael J. Fox took place in NYC. What movie about financial success, youth, and optimism took place in Chicago?

gleeclub, Cracker Boy will claim that drinking in Chicago stops at 4am, same as New York. But that's six-sevenths of a lie. Also, Chicago is one of those awful and undignified places where "last call" actually means that all drinks must have been taken away by that time (actually 2am except on New York night) -- so they stop serving and start snatching your drinks from you hours earlier.

Also, they eat lunch at 11am in Chicago. Very uncivilized.

alanhart, smoking is now banned at all public venues in Chicago; it took effect this past New Year's. Patrons now have to go outside to smoke. once again, you misread my post. i said most normal straight men have the same tastes in girls as i do. if you ask a sample of say 100 men from all across the country, i'll be shocked if more than a few think that nyc has a lot of gorgeous women. the places that will come up are los angeles, san diego, austin, chicago, atlanta, miami, vegas.

gleeclub, last call is at 4 AM at most places and on some spots on saturdays, it's 5 AM.

Chicago has interesting and fun nightlife options in a wide variety of neighborhoods. NYC's decent venues are mainly limited to downtown. The chelsea scene sucks, midtown is mainly after-work spots, and UWS and UES are mostly sports bars and pubs.

sang about Chicago: which of these songs are you referring to:
*"Best Wishes to your Black Lung" - Less Than Jake
"Chicago Is So Two Years Ago" - Fall Out Boy
*"Chicago Is Large" - Nazgul
*"Chicago Seemed Tired Last Night" - The Hold Steady
*"Chicago, Damn" - Bobbi Humphrey
*"Come On! Feel the Illinoise! - Sufjan Stevens
*"Going to Chicago Blues" - The Count Basie Orchestra
*"Goodbye to Guyville" - Urge Overkill
*"A Guided Tour of Chicago" - The Lawrence Arms [I like this one for its munitions band name]
*"I'm Dying Tomorrow" - Alkaline Trio
*"In The Ghetto"- Elvis Presley
*"Leaving Chicago" - Knockout
*"The Lincoln Park Pirates" - Steve Goodman [probably the Chicago gang that Cracker Boy wants to pledge]
*"The Night Chicago Died" - Paper Lace

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_about_Chicago

Cracker Boy, what do you mean I misread your post? This is what you wrote:
"Pale anorexic chicks who smoke a pack a day but think they're hot because of their gucci bags, are not really my cup of tea (or most normal straight men, for that matter)."

Anyway, your cup of tea is your cup of tea, and far be it for me to judge your cup of tea. I'm a liberal.

alanhart, your knowledge of Chicago is way off. NO club or bar snatches your drink at 2 AM. When was the last time you've even been there?

There's nothing wrong with eating lunch at 11 AM.

gleeclub, thanks for demonstrating your ignorance of upscale nightlife.

11am is the time for "elevenses" -- AKA "your cup of tea"

Civilized people eat lunch at 1pm.

Notice how the the original posting dealt with "Old New York is Back" with a focus on crime...I posted the stats proving that the bad ole days of NY are far from back- and they have been ignored.

Please stay on topic or shut this thread down.

Can someone let rufus stay on their basement? This is just seriously pathetic.

rufus is either convincing us to all move to Chicago to further drive down the prices here so he can finally afford to stay here. Or he wants us to at least recognize Chicago as a good enough alternative to NYC so he can feel better about himself since he could not make it here.

What exactly is your agenda, rufus? You spent too much time in this site when you should be scouring for very cheap apartment in Chicago, so you can stop living and sponging from your folks.

> UWS and UES are mostly sports bars and pubs.

We'll add this to the list of two more places porker boy has never been....

BTW, if "sports bars" is an insult, how could you possibly like Chicago? Every place is filled with fat sports fans.

nyc10022, with regards to nightlife options, UWS and UES are mainly sports bars and pubs. There are very few trendy lounges or clubs, which is the main reason why even people who live there go downtown to party. The fact that you don't know this only further shows your ignorance of NYC.

Fun Fact: Chicago has the second lowest average IQ of all US cities. It was beaten only by Wasilla, AK

buster2056 -- it's the truth; it's actual

semerun, that CompStat page really is incredible. We all know the story, but to see the numbers - all notable crime cut by more than 75% city-wide since 1990 - really drives the point home that NY is just a far more desirable city to live in now. Also down by a third vs. 2001. I view this as one of the major drivers - second only to incomes - for the insane increase in RE prices. There's a reason people were literally giving away their 4,000 sq ft coops in the 70's.