New York dominates Wealthiest U.S. zip codes list, Chicago compltely absent.

michaelkyleh, i guess you've never heard of wealthy Chicago neighborhoods like gold coast or lincoln park, or affluent Chicago suburbs like winnetka or highland park.

If NYC is so wealthy and upscale, why can't they even clean up the garbage on the streets and put up newer buildings? why does most of manhattan still look so grimy?

you should check out river north or streeterville sometime, and you'll see that those areas are much nicer than manhattan.

rufus, I hate to get involved in these chicago arguments, but I'm curious, have you ever visited the wealthier suburbs of New York City? I think that would be a fairer comparison to Highland Park or Winnetka than Manhattan.

Cracker Boy, one reason they don't put up newer buildings is that Old Money (represented in massive force in NY) likes "old". Additionally, Chitroit *needs* the kind of top-down redevelopment that invariably includes things (doomed to fail) with the word "Renaissance" in the name; New York isn't running away from its present reality, because it has no reason to.

There is something severely wrong with the data cited. Jersey City 07399 is number 5, trumping the vast majority of high end NYC. I guess the view of the Pulasky skyway is worth more than I thought.

Rufus,

First of all, there is no suburb in Chicago that compares to New York City's suburb and communities, i.e. The Hamptons, Greenwich, Alpine, Scarsdale. Futhermore, isn't this a discussion of New York City and Chicago even though there shouldn't even be any form of comparision in the first place since anybody with a competent sense of taste, and geography knows comparing New York City to Chicago in terms of wealth, culture, sophistication, and status is like comparing Paris to Bangladesh.

Thirdly, you should give the "if's" a rest in regards to your questioning of New York City. There is no "if's". New York City is grander, better and richer. Period. Chicago should be honored to be New York City's younger, poorer, ugly brother.......or is that relative since Los Angeles has already surpassed Chicago.

Oh, and Chicago is very dirty. Remember, Chicago doesn't = Gold Coast or [insert crass "upscale" (middle-class) enclave] Chicago as a whole is gritty, very ugly, depressing, frigid, corrupt, and most important, just another industrial rust-belt city in collapse as evidenced by the MASS exodus out of Chicago. That massive population decline is such a pity.

Oh well.

jrd, there is nothing 'severely wrong' with information from the IRS who knows and has access to all of anybody's assets.

I'm a Manhattanite, but all rich people don't live in Manhattan contrary to your and the whole island's) belief. I know very wealthy people who live on that side of the river.

And if you noticed, there were only like 30 returns from that zip code so it can be easily inflated with a handful of very rich people.

And rufus, so now that it's been proved with real numbers that Chicago is very far from upscale cnn you please just go away?

Please?

I'll find Chicago forums for you to post on if you just go away. from here, from Curbed, and whatever other you post in.

You really think there are only 30 people that filed returns in a single zip code in the middle of Jersey City? Maybe petefitz has his owne zip code for his place at 15 CPW, but this seems kind of implausible to me. And the provider says the info came from the irs, but where can you find the info directly from the irs?

Actually I'm curious, if you had to name the SECOND greatest city in America (no don't say London or Paris), which one would you pick?

I'm torn between LA and San Francisco.

Sticky, I don't have a strong opinion, but Boston should at least be on the list.

rjd, it's somewhere on their website. I remember seeing this information on www.irs.gov a while back.

And if I had to live somewhere outside of NYC (but not outside of the US), I would live in Greenwich!!! Outside of the Northeast, I would do Beverly Hills, Hollywood Hills or Bel Air.

Oh, and half the New Yorkers I know of with net worths >$10 million file their tax returns in FLORIDA.

They do it for tax reasons, which is why you see a lot of exotic cars driving around NYC with Florida license plates.

Here is a slightly different link that is much more consistent with my understanding of the geographic distribution of wealth: http://wealth.mongabay.com/tables/100_income_zip_codes-10000.html

Unfortunately, there are Chicago area zip codes in the list.

I would still like some definitive stats on zip code and income if anyone could provide.

Would someone PLEASE explain to me how Jersey City made the to 10? I'm confused...

Who cares

That variation of the list is simply a filter of the salaries in comparison with the population size.

The original "highest incomes" is the most accurate in which zip codes are actually "RICH"

Alpine, a few people in that Jersey City probably file their taxes from their office or some other loop hole.

The only part of Jersey City that is rich is th waterfront. Everything else is a ghetto. The Jersey City Heights is a third world country.

This list is a complete joke. There is very little wealth in backwaters like jersey city or hoboken.

Even in NYC, Manhattan is the only borough that has a decent amount of wealthy people; the rest of the city is subpar at best.

Gold coast in Chicago is the second richest neighborhood in the United States. Upper east side is first, because of the high concentration of wealth in fifth and park avenue. But we all know that east of lexington, upper east side is quite lackluster.

Yea, the IRS is lying to us!!!!!!! The IRS doesn't know what they're talking about!!! LIES I TELL YOU, LIES!!!!!

Wahhhhhhhh New York is rich and Chicago is poor!!

Get over it Rufus.

P.S., Alpine and others, my neighbor is wealthy, lives in Manhattan and files his taxes in New Jersey for some reason. My uncle files his in Florida.

Jersey City income returns are 90% just spillovers from Manhattan trying to loop-hole their way around taxes. How it works, I have no idea.

Oh, and can I just point out the hilarious hypocrisy from Rufus ?

Rufus says; "Manhattan is the only borough that has a decent amount of wealthy people; the rest of the city is subpar at best"

Then he turns around and says the wealth in Chicago is in the Gold Coast. So that means the rest of Chicago is subpar at best??????

I find that very funny! What a clown!

RR1, Chicago has rich people in not just gold coast but also streeterville, lakeshore east, river north, south loop, west loop, lincoln park, lakeview. i mentioned the gold coast because it is wealthier than any part of nyc except fifth and park avenues on upper east side. this directly contradicts the false belief held by people on this board that areas like tribeca, chelsea, soho, gramercy, etc., are more upscale than any Chicago neighborhood.

Umm, let's go by the facts not by what you WISH were the case.

95% of Manhattan below 100th street is wealthier than the Gold Coast. Hell, even Harlem has topped the highest sales price in Chicago. Harlem!!!!

Tribeca: $2,300,000
SoHo: $3,048,319
Chelsea:$1,500,000
Gramercy Park: $1,362,500
Flatiron District: $1,370,000
NoHo: $1,050,000
Lincoln Square: $1,865,000

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Gold Coast, Chicago: $579,000

I'm tired. You are boring and easy.

Oh, and Brooklyn Heights, Carroll Gardens, Cobble Hill, Boerum Hill, DUMBO and Park Slope are richer than Gold Coast.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_North_Side,_Chicago#Gold_Coast

Scroll down to the section on gold coast. Read the first sentence and get back to me.

And scroll down to the the references of that stupid statement.

"The Gold Coast is the second wealthiest neighborhood in the United States" says the following piece from 1999:

Kogan, Rich; Reardon, Patrick T (December 5 1999). "Be it ever so affluent... For those who call it home, there's no place like the Gold Coast", Chicago Tribune Magazine, p. 16.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've supplied you with factual information from the IRS, regarding wealthiest neighborhoods in the United States and until you can top information from the IRS (God, perhaps?) I think my work here is done.

Oh and I corrected the misinformation on that Wikipedia website. hahahaha.

Rufus can't top anything.
Facts are irrelevant to him.
Chicago is the best city in the world because Jeff Tweedy, lead singer of Wilco, says so.
That should be enough for everyone. I mean it's Jeff Tweedy we're talking about.
Jeff Freakin Tweedy.

RR1, if you really believe that neighborhoods like chelsea, dumbo, or brooklyn heights, are more wealthy and prestigious than gold coast, you're downright delusional.

rufie, shouldn't you be gone by now? didn't you promise us you were moving back to Chicago in December?

> RR1, if you really believe that neighborhoods like chelsea, dumbo, or brooklyn heights, are more
> wealthy and prestigious than gold coast, you're downright delusional.

Or, unlike rufus, you just know how to read stats.

nyc10022- rufie is a little slow. he can't read as fast as the rest of us. the education in the midwest is not as upscale.

kspeak, no link has been provided which show that chelsea, dumbo, brooklyn heights, etc., are wealthier than gold coast.

Sure it has... we've already seen that condo prices are higher in all of those neighborhoods than even the best building in Chicago.

Education levels and median income levels are also higher.

But, why would I expect rufus to be able to have read what we posted?

Rufus, who is more delusional...people from NYC who love NYC

or you...who thinks that Chicago is the center of the world

because Jeff Tweedy was quoted in an article as saying so, which you then went on to refer to multiple times as proof?

Sizzlack, most people from NYC are extremely arrogant about being new yorkers and think the world revolves around this city. This is the reason why most Americans despise the city and its people. I'm merely saying that NYC is overrated, given how filthy and subpar the living conditions are. NYC is the past while Chicago is the future. Contrast the architecture of the two cities, for example, and you'll see that Chicago is just more innovative and dynamic than NYC.

because...Jeff Tweedy says so??

New Yorkers, talking about NYC on a NYC related forum are hardly being arrogant.

You however, who believes they know everything there is to know about NYC architecture, urban planning, and cultural amenities, are the arrogant one.
Sheesh, the guy who claims to know how everyone in the world feels about a particular city or building because he overheard three tourists talking about it is calling other people arrogant.
Keep giving Chicago a great rep.

No dumbass. just visit Chicago and look around. and you'll see that Chicago is cleaner and more modern of a city.

Could it just be that that statement is merely your opinion and nothing more? Or is what comes out of your mouth equal to the word of God?

And for the record I never had anything against Chicago, I actually kind of liked it (not to live there just as a place) before you got here. Now I will never, ever look at it the same. Oh well.

Cracker Boy, by "Chicago" which do you mean: Dallas or Houston?

opinion? are you actually gonna deny that Chicago is cleaner than NYC? LOL!

and if you are trying to tow the Chicago is a modern city line maybe you should be comparing it with Dubai.

Last time I checked NYC was well over 300 years old.

I'm not denying anything Roofie. I'm not a garbage man, nor do I run the Sanitation Departments in either city, so you know just as much as I do.
I get that you open your eyes and see a garbage bag and make this blanket assumption that the city is filthy.
Just like you make the blanket assumption that everyone here thinks the world revolves around NYC (last time I checked the world revolved around the sun).
Just like you make the blanket assumption that you know how "most Americans" feel about this city.

So since you yourself laughed at my suggestion that your opinion was in fact just that, an opinion, you must really think that what you say is the word of God.
Is Jeff Tweedy your Jesus?

Cracker Boy, you've been presented with evidence (cities ranked) that shows definitively that Chicago is dirtier than NY. And that NY is cleaner than Chicago. And that Chicago's pollution is worse than any other US city's.

It's quantitative research -- why can't you process it? Don't you maintain that a fictitious hedge fund pretended to hire you to do make-believe quasiquantitative research?

"Actually I'm curious, if you had to name the SECOND greatest city in America (no don't say London or Paris), which one would you pick?"

Brooklyn

The County of Kings

"nyc10022- rufie is a little slow. he can't read as fast as the rest of us. the education in the midwest is not as upscale."

I hate to defend cracker boy, but the University of Chicago has a top notch MBA program that easily beats Columbia and NYU.

Plus, William Ayers is a professor at the University of Illinois! You can't beat that...

columbia and nyu stink as business schools go, so that doesn't say much. Hell, you should have name checked Kellog before Chicago.

But, rufus didnt finish 3rd grade, so not sure why this matters...

yes, midwest has a handful of good schools, just like Chicago has handful of good restaurants, but there are fewer excellent schools overall (Chicago and Northwestern of course and then Michigan/Notre Dame/Illinois to a lesser extent).

and rufie did not go to any of these so it doesn't matter.

New Haven has a fantastic school.... I guess Chicago compares with them...

Rufus, I have posted time after time statistics which show that DUMBO, Brooklyn Heights and Chelsea are are wealthier than the Gold Coast.

Why is it so hard for you to understand statistical facts? Why do you take it so personal when we point out that New York is rich and Chicago is poor?

Geez, get over it!!!

And p.s., if you want us to believe the whole notion that NYC is NOT the center of the universe, then why the hell do you post on every NYC real-estate blog I've been on? New York City is obviously the center of something if you, as a Chicagoan, waste hours of your day posting on New York City blogs when (1) You can't afford anything in New York and (2) You don't live in New York and (2) you dislike it.

SO I GUESS NEW YORK *IS* THE CENTER OF THE WORLD!!!!!

michaelkyleh, no one has posted statistics which show that dumbo, brooklyn heights, chelsea, are wealthier than the gold coast. the only "evidence" was that a few of the condos in dumbo are selling at around $1000/square foot. when i then mentioned luxury chicago condos like the spire, elysian, trump international, lincoln park 2520, no one was able to respond.

didn't you say that you're from winnetka? i have a hard time believing that, given how little you know about Chicago.

Why would anyone lie about being from the Midwest? I find that slightly amusing.

And it's quite funny that you are trying (unsuccessfully) to prove to me that "prestigious" Trump Chicago most expensive than.......DUMBO! LOL! Statistics show DUMBO is more expensive and high-end than the Gold Coast.

LMAO.

michaelkyleh, from reading your previous posts, you know very little about Chicago.

DUMBO is not more expensive than the gold coast. stop making up shit.

Rufie, rufie, rufie.

http://dumbonyc.com/images/blog/rebny_2q08.gif

As of October 2008, the average sales price in DUMBO is $1,342,000.

The average sales price in the Gold Coast is $579,000.

I guess that means DUMBO is more upscale than Gold Coast (not to mention far more exclusive), then? LOL!!!

Oh, and these are facts. How are you going to make an arguement against facts from multiple sources??

Chicago is poor, get over it!!

What a turkey you are michaelkyleh!

Take a look at the zip codes: they're not residential but business addresses. http://www.citidex.com/map/zipco.html (Buildings with assigned zip codes)
The top zip code 10111 is the International Building at 630 Fifth Ave in Rock Center. http://www.citidex.com/map/zipco.html
Likewise, 10165 (the Lincoln bulding at 60 E. 42nd.

The filers who give that address could live anywhere.

urbangreen

LOL! michaelkyleh got busted for his phony use of data! nice work, urbangreen!

Urbangreen and Rugus, where do you think the millionaires who file their personal taxes in zip code 10111 live, Chicago?

LOL, "phony data" from the IRS!!! The IRS pulled the data out their ass and posted falsified information for fun!!! Yeeahh!

Wasn't this explained a whole back re: that high Jersey City zip code? You both are idiots and know absolutely nothing about taxes and corporate loop-holes, and I wouldn't blame you since you will never be in that tax bracket.

And if you want complete residential addresses, simply use this http://wealth.mongabay.com/tables/100_income_zip_codes-20000.html and look, it's still filled with NYC zip codes (which are completely residential, like the UES!)

And Rufus, what do you have to say about DUMBO being much more expensive and exclusive than the Gold Coast? Did you give up?

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LOL! michaelkyleh got busted for his phony use of data! nice work

Phony use of data? Kind of like telling people that the NY Times said that Chicago was the center of the world, and even encouraging people to read said article. Except the NY Times NEVER said that, they quoted a two bit midwestern musician who said it. And Rufus continued to use it as proof of something (what exactly I have no idea).