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Why home values may take decades to recover

Started by positivecarry
about 17 years ago
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By Alan S. Weiner, for USA TODAY Rick Wallick at home in Banks, Ore. Wallick, a former software engineer, bought a $200,000 house in Arizona at the peak of the real estate bubble. He did everything right: big downpayment and 15-year fixed rate mortgage. That house is worth only $80,000 now. BOOM AND BUST Percentage change in the average selling price of existing homes during the housing bubble... [more]
Response by angler7
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Good article. Thanks for posting.

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Response by samename
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this is certainly true on a macro level, but I suspect this guy is in a development that didn't exist a few years ago, an area that if all people vacated, there'd be no one coming in new necessarily. I think prime Manhattan is different

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Response by notadmin
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/14/realestate/14scapes.html

The Polish government acquired the house in 1973 for $900,000.

john paul getty bought the pierre hotel for 25% of it's replacement value during the depression... "prime real estate is resilient" is a myth.

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Response by positivecarry
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How scary is the stat that home prices stayed the same from 1950 to 2000? Nobody wants to strip out inflation, which I'm guessing is why there is such a debate on a board like this.

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Response by nyc10022
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> How scary is the stat that home prices stayed the same from 1950 to 2000?

Shiller has been saying for YEARS that this is how it normally is.

Too bad nobody was listening.

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Response by drdrd
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But this time it's different!

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Response by lobo
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prices will come down but wait until you see the inflation that we will face 3 years from now. That's why things are "inflation adjusted" if inflation is 11% then a 10% increase in prices is still down once you adjust for inflation.

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Response by jklfdsainkj
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Rent %u2014 Homes traditionally have sold for about 20 times what it would cost to rent them for a year.

Wow. 20 times. Just like I have been saying, and why NYC prices are not very far out of line.

This too shall pass, and when it does, bitter renters will still be bitter renters.

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Response by dwell
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Thanks positive. good article.

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Response by positivecarry
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I found it amazing that USA Today would put out such a detailed article.

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Response by stevejhx
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"How scary is the stat that home prices stayed the same from 1950 to 2000?"

Home prices rarely increase faster than incomes, and when they do, they fall again.

"20 times. Just like I have been saying"

Right. 20 times if you calculate it using the owners' equivalent rent method, but that method includes things other than the naked price of rentals. Read the history and calculation here:

http://www.bls.gov/cpi/cpifact6.htm

You will see that it is a very complicated calculation, not at all the 12x basic price-to-rent ratio. So it is NOT "just like you have been saying." Indeed, it's quite different.

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Response by MMAfia
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>> How scary is the stat that home prices stayed the same from 1950 to 2000?
>> Shiller has been saying for YEARS that this is how it normally is.
>> Too bad nobody was listening.

what amazes me is how people would look at the Shiller chart, see the crazy vertical explosion and just brush it off. i've posted the chart here many times and it clearly shows how home prices stay flat when adjusted for inflation...

now, doesn't this chart look so different without the "greed goggles" on?

http://randolfe.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/housing_projection.jpg

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Response by stevejhx
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Great chart, MMA.

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Response by nyc10022
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> Wow. 20 times. Just like I have been saying, and why NYC prices are not very far out of line.

Yes, because rents are staying exactly where they are.

Why am I not surprised by utter denial anymore?

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Response by tech_guy
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"Yes, because rents are staying exactly where they are."

I trust you meant this sarcastically? So far all the data shows small single-digit declines in rents.

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