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Advice on gut renovations in NYC needed

Started by Reno09
almost 17 years ago
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Member since: Jan 2009
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My husband and I are about to start a gut renovation of an apartment and needed advice on how/where to start. We don't even have an architect, interior designer or contractor yet. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! :)
Response by jklfdsainkj
almost 17 years ago
Posts: 178
Member since: Nov 2008

You could start by asking the super who has done work in the building already, and interview from there.

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Response by AgentRachel
almost 17 years ago
Posts: 275
Member since: Nov 2008

I have contacts for interior designers and painters...

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Response by kylewest
almost 17 years ago
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Maybe you could provide a little more info to focus the advice: size of unit, anticipated budget, type of building, level of work desired (very top end, just get us through the next two years before we move, Ikea kitchen or professional, etc.

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Response by raddoc
almost 17 years ago
Posts: 166
Member since: Jun 2008

We asked neighbors who they used and ended up using the same folks - ProTone from New Rochelle.

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Response by KeithBurkhardt
almost 17 years ago
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A gut renovation will require an architect in most cases, if you can find someone good they will also have reliable contractors.. Get references from people you trust and then double check the references. In this business you get what you pay for, don't simply go with the lowest bidder as that can be a recipe for disaster!

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Response by anonymous
almost 17 years ago

brownstoner.com is an excellent resource for your question. even though the people are typically renovating whole brownstones you can easily estimate your costing details and find a lot of generous advice about the pitfalls and the endless permit process.

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Response by osiris
almost 17 years ago
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Member since: Dec 2008

reno, go to lightandairdesign.com. Just get them to come to your apt. And they can work with what you have. I was very happy.

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Response by osiris
almost 17 years ago
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It's interior design full service. I don't know if they still have the contractor.

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Response by front_porch
almost 17 years ago
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I second brownstoner.com as a great resource. I also think hiring an architect is probably the place to start, but if we can have more info about your neighborhood and type of space maybe we can start throwing out names.

ali r.
{downtown broker}

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Response by nycondoowner
almost 17 years ago
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Member since: Jan 2009

try new york french contracting - the owner does an excellent job for a reasonable price, with references. http://www.newyorkfrench.com/ I used this company and was not disappointed.

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Response by Reno09
almost 17 years ago
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try franklinreport.com

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Response by Reno09
almost 17 years ago
Posts: 45
Member since: Jan 2009

it's a duplex. we're looking to do something classic but not traditional on the bottom floor and something more modern (but not the ikea-modern look) on the top floor. it would be a gut reno bc we want to move kitchen and baths and maybe the internal staircase. i think our budget will be in the $500-600k range.

any recommendations for architects would be appreciated. thanks in advance to all for your help!

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Response by anonymous
almost 17 years ago

reno - did you just recommend a home services site and three minutes later post the details of your property?

troll..

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Response by always
almost 17 years ago
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Member since: Jan 2009

for the stairs, you'll need the city's OK. For the rest, you'll need TONS of permits from the building. The stairs permit will take a while. A long while. I don't know about you but my building requires the contractor/architect to have $5M insurance.
There is no way even $600K will cover it.

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Response by always
almost 17 years ago
Posts: 26
Member since: Jan 2009

osiris,
I got in touch with Light and Air Design and got some very unusual and beautiful ideas from them. From her, actually.

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Response by Reno09
almost 17 years ago
Posts: 45
Member since: Jan 2009

eah - lol. i meant to write "tried." my brain's going numb looking at all the architect profiles. it's overwhelming.

i guess i need to readjust my expectations. can you tell i'm not from the city and have never done a reno before?

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Response by kylewest
almost 17 years ago
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If possible to keep kitchen and baths in place, I would make every effort to do so. Most buildings will not allow a "wet" area (that is, kitchen and bath) to be move over a previously "dry" area. If it is allowed, you are going to die when you see what it costs to move a kitch or bath. I'd say the moves alone would cost about what your budget is--and then you have the rest of the apartment to do. This also sounds like the better part of a year for construction. Hiring architects, reviewing possible plans, selecting one, getting a contractor, and obtaining the necessary permits and building approval will take many months, too. During this time you'll obviously have to live somewhere else. Is this timing do-able and the year of living elsewhere in the budget? It is one thing to move closets and open up a room or create one. It is quite another to essentially rebuild not just your apartment but the buildling infrastructure.

I would start by interviewing architects the building recommends via the super or other tenants. I'd also prefer to see an architect with a set fee for the project (certain amount for plans, permits and assistance in hiring contractor/reviewing bids, and construction oversight). With a job of this scope, I wouldn't want to get lost in hourly charges without limit. You're going to need a fully licensed architect--not a designer who then hires an engineer to go over the plans; you could go that route, but I think it is asking for problems. I'd want someone who can show experience in your type of job too. Just because they were good at designing a corporate office of renovating a studio doesn't mean they are up to your task. Good luck. Let us know how you do.

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Response by front_porch
almost 17 years ago
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Member since: Mar 2008

If you've never done a reno in the city before, labor costs are going to shock you. Figure you're going to end paying around $80 an hour for the mix of what seems like less skilled work (say, priming walls) and skilled work (laying tile).

My rule of thumb for smaller jobs is that labor is going to be roughly twice the cost of materials -- but I've never done a full gut.

ali r.
{downtown broker}

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Response by anonymous
almost 17 years ago

the permits will shock you if you're moving kitchen/bathroom..also, if you're in a coop you'll have to run the plans by them. often it is not possible to move the kitchen/bathrooms all that much depending on the structure of the building. internal staircase is not a big deal as long as you have the proper handrails and such.

if you like modern but not uber modern..try Smallbone for the kitchen.

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Response by 93rd
almost 17 years ago
Posts: 69
Member since: Apr 2008

We just went through some 'small' renovation work - less than 30K. We initialy used serviceMagic.com and they referred three contractors. We selected the lowest bid as they appeared experienced and honest. Big mistake.
My advice is to use a contractor who is already familiar with the building & has a reputation.
Be your own project manager and be VERY specific in the contract about the work. Describe it in details even if it sounds unnecessary.
Agree on a schedule for updates - and send them in writing.
Take photos every day of the progress made.

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Response by Lucid
almost 17 years ago
Posts: 68
Member since: Oct 2008

"try new york french contracting - the owner does an excellent job for a reasonable price, with references. http://www.newyorkfrench.com/ I used this company and was not disappointed."

I can second this! Not only were they very good, they were actually nice to deal with!

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Response by eransinai
almost 17 years ago
Posts: 3
Member since: Jan 2009

Hi,
I suggest that first you and your husband discuss what you'd like to accomplish and by when. Establish a budget and make a priority list (in case you cannot afford the entire renovation at once).
Selecting an architect will not neccessarily help as not only it might cost more, but you might not really need him/her.
Look at magazines, get ideas, look in showrooms.
You might be able to talk to a contractor who can walk you through what else you need. Check the building's alterations agreement see what they require as far as rulls and regulations and what is allowed and what not.
Try to decide what you want done before you start teh process. It will save you time and money.
You can call GHI Construction Group, Inc. for free advise and check the web site. Thank you , Eran Sinai 212.491.1181 917.656.6650

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Response by kylewest
almost 17 years ago
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Spend the money up front for a good architect. Mine broke the fee down to amounts for (1) design, board approval of alterations and bid set of drawings; (2) bid oversight and evaluation, expeditors, city filings; (3) construction oversight. High quality drawings and proper permits/approval/filings will translate to very, very few change orders and thus save you money in the longrun.

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Response by justinb914
almost 17 years ago
Posts: 18
Member since: Feb 2007

I'll echo some previous posts above (kylewest, 93rd, etc.).

Best move I made was hiring a contractor who was already doing work and familiar with my building. Other lessons learned was that I really didn't need/want a "designer", but just needed the "architect" (I know many architects are designers, but not all designers are architects).
I was most surprised at how difficult getting the city permits and approvals are. You absolutely need an expeditor and the architect that I used referred me to one.

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Response by vickybenatar
almost 17 years ago
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Member since: Dec 2008

Please visit our web page at www.victoriabenatar.com
We do provide full range of services from architecture
to interior design for large or small projects.

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