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Sale at 152 East 94th Street #3J. Priced right or bidding war?

Started by bugelrex
over 17 years ago
Posts: 499
Member since: Apr 2007
Discussion about 152 East 94th Street #3J
$635 per ft, 1,500 sqft with reasonable maintaince http://www.streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/384328-coop-152-east-94th-street-carnegie-hill-new-york Listed by urbandigs. Be very interesting to see how quickly this goes and what price as a gauge of the current market. Would this location be a candidate for crime if crime increases in Manhattan? The neighbors must hate this guy!
Response by uppereast
over 17 years ago
Posts: 342
Member since: Nov 2008

This place is never $1,500sft...

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Response by joepa
over 17 years ago
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Member since: Mar 2008

I say bidding war, but let urbandigs chime in.

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Response by Trompiloco
over 17 years ago
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Member since: Jul 2008

That listing really signals a momentous change. Of course, my dear uppereast, it's not 1500 sqft. They NEVER ARE. But it's not outrageously overstated. The real sqft (adding up bathrooms and every inch) is about 1250, so it's a 20% inflation. That's quite standard. And the maintenance is VERY LOW. Most buildings in the UES have maintenance in the neighborhood of $ 1.5 per overstated sq ft. Meaning that this apt. is both 30% below the competition in price and in maintenance. Condition looks OK. Alas, I don't think it's going to ignite a bidding war, it's just going to sell for close to ask and be the new standard.

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Response by patient09
over 17 years ago
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Member since: Nov 2008

ditto Tromp:

1,300 honest sq ft
maintenance is fair
$757 per sq seems fair for current environment.

I bet Noah gets a contract within 4 weeks. congrats nice job with your cust Noah. Good, fair pricing always works.

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Response by bugelrex
over 17 years ago
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I'm surprised to see such sqft inflation from urbandigs, hopefully he'll chime in and explain..

How is this location?

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Response by Trompiloco
over 17 years ago
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I second bugelrex on the last item. Although I respect urbandigs as much as anybody, after so much talk about sq footage inflation here, I would have expected him to trim his listings to the real size. Then again, if he did, he would probably be unemployed.

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Response by patient09
over 17 years ago
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Member since: Nov 2008

Tough to fight city hall. An easy work around would be for brokers to have a 2nd sq ft number and call it either livable or honest.

ex:
sqft 1,500
livable 1305

I get it that way..Yes you have part of the common areas etc, but you can't sleep there. Additionally, you can't sleep on the outer edges of the walls.

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Response by Squid
over 17 years ago
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Member since: Sep 2008

I'm a big Noah fan, but come on dude, "sprawling"?? Surely you jest...

As for the original question, no I would not expect a bidding war here. I think Noah's priced this unit right on the nose--it's definitely not a bargain, and I think it could go lower still. That said, the ask clearly reflects today's market and will likely generate interest.

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Response by kingdeka
over 17 years ago
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Member since: Dec 2008

I added up the square footage of the given floorplan using a computer formula and it came up with 1285 square feet.

With the asking price, the price per square foot is $766.53.

That is substantially lower than the broker's advertised $635/square foot.

According to streeteasy, the previous sale per price foot (assuming they are more accurate sq ft representations than this listings inflated listing) at $751/sq ft.

The views from this unit look like they are of either another side of this building or a close neighbor.

This listing, given the fact that it is 2 blocks from the border of East harlem, is not very enticing, especially seeing the broker inflate the square footage and price per square foot.

Next.

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Response by columbiacounty
over 17 years ago
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sq ft coming from street easy somehow not on actual listing. perhaps an error?

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Response by Trompiloco
over 17 years ago
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Member since: Jul 2008

kingdeka, assuming the sqft of a previous listing was more accurate is quite naive. If anything, you'd have to assume it was worst. I don't know what the rest of the forum thinks, but my experience of looking countless floor plans in NYC is that ALMOST ALL inflate 15-30%. Inflation below 15% is rare, and below 5% is as rare as a solvent American bank.

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Response by Trompiloco
over 17 years ago
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Actually, kingdeka, you just have to find the listing for 9J in the Corocoran webpage and click the floorplan. It's the same footprint. And they alleged 1550 sqft instead of the 1500 urbandigs is alleging. Where did they find the extra 50 feet? Yes, you're right. There. They sold that one for 1.3 M not that long ago.

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Response by kingdeka
over 17 years ago
Posts: 230
Member since: Dec 2008

As usual, with co-ops, it's up to potential buyers to do the homework themselves and figure out what they are buying.

Brokers are a dime a dozen, and given any legal loophole to inflate a purchase, they're all over it. Obviously Noah is no different. He may talk a good talk, but we can see the way he walks.

And tromplioco, it you see the listing information from streeteasy (information gathered from the broker), Noah also lists 3J as being 1550 sq ft (where di you get 1500 from?), same as previous closed 9J, which the Corcoran brokers also listed at 1550 sq ft.

And the other unit had a better upgraded kitchen, was on a much higher floor and sold at a time when the market was red hot. I would expect this unit to be at least 25% lower. I would also expect it to be marketed more accurately and fairly, given urbandigs banter on here. Very disturbing, but I guess it just goes to show you, brokers are all the same given any opportunity.

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Response by romary
over 17 years ago
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Member since: Aug 2008

is that the $28M YSL chair in the bedroom?

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Response by kingdeka
about 17 years ago
Posts: 230
Member since: Dec 2008

Urbandigs is all talk. Please. What a typical broker. Exaggerate (misrepresent) the square footage yet chide other brokers for doing the same thing. Skew the price per square footage.

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Response by Rhino86
almost 17 years ago
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Member since: Sep 2006

Yes, its unusually exaggerated in terms of size...even for brokers...in order to generate an eye-popping psft.

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Response by Rhino86
almost 17 years ago
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10% is normal...this 20% is annoying. $720 is still lowish in a market where $800-something is well established.

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Response by inonada
almost 17 years ago
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Member since: Oct 2008

You all are a bunch of numbskulls: 1500 sq ft is about right. The width of all the rooms add up to 37 feet and the height of all the rooms (outer box) add up to 38 feet. Add in the walls (yes, you pay for those too as you end up owning them: if you don't like, feel free to remove them, interior or exterior, at your own peril), you get to 40 x 40 = 1600. Take out 100 for the missing lower-right corner, and you get 1500.

SO, first go learn some f-ing math. Then go pick on some broker worthy of a beating. I mean, has it come down to this? Picking on UD for no reason?

FWIW, price seems attractive, if you're a buyer in this market.

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Response by Gopher_1
almost 17 years ago
Posts: 87
Member since: Nov 2008

Actually to go back to the original question, the recent price cut would indicate that if they were after a bidding war, they didn't get it

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
almost 17 years ago
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Member since: Mar 2009

inonada: I think it is reasonable to include interior walls, but not exterior walls - you DON'T own them. I think using that, you get 38.5 (I doubt that's a wall between the that isn't a wall between the lr and gallery: it's almost def a railing) by 37.5, which is just shy of 1444, minus the lower right "missing" space.

OTOH, I think 1500SF is as close or closer than most brokers reps of Sf of units, so if you are using $PSF using most broker's SF reps, you can't really yell about this one. (that's the generic "you").

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Response by supergirl
almost 17 years ago
Posts: 8
Member since: Aug 2008

This apartment needs a lot of work. There is a reason the bathrooms are not pictured and there is no thru wall air. I'm guessing an expensive board renovation package, electrical, etc.

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