NYC's waterfront needs a lot of work

1) See alanhart's crime stats post

2) You are cherry picking the best part of Chicago waterfront and the worst part of NY waterfront. What about the East River waterfront on the UES with the big promenade? The waterfront along Riverside Park? Harlem's newly rebuilt waterfront?

3) Unlike in Chicago, where the lake is all you have, when we want to enjoy the water, we have tons of nearby options like the Hamptons.

4) See crime stats posted by Alanhart.

kspeak, are you referring to alanhart's fabricated crime "stat," which actually claims that south bronx is safer than gold coast? LOL!

Chicago has more usable waterfront property than NYC. it's not even close. if you've actually been to lake michigan, especially during the summer, you would know how lively and dynamic the waterfront is.

UES waterfront, riverside park, and harlem, look like shit compared to Chicago. it's not even close.

Cracker Boy, "cognitive dissonance" is the concept that describes your inability to process the factual data regarding all things Chicago.

Here are the links:
http://homes.point2.com/Neighborhood/US/New-York/New-York-City/Bronx/Tremont-Demographics.aspx
http://homes.point2.com/Neighborhood/US/Illinois/Cook-County/Chicago/Gold-Coast-Demographics.aspx

Note that "South Bronx" is an umbrella term to describe all the neighborhoods of the southwest Bronx. I picked Tremont, but University Heights and a few others are available. You can try to find one with a higher murder rate than the Gold Coast. Good luck.

Alanhart - he can't read as fast as we can (ravages of his mother's drug use - still undetermined which type of drug, of course) ... be patient ... he will see ...

Again, disgusting that he only cares about crime in Chicago to the extent it affects "upscale" neighborhoods. Sure, we're all a little selfish about our specific neighborhoods, but one should have a vested interest in one's broader city, not just ones's immediate surroundings.

NYC's waterfront is dazzling and continues the theme of rich diversity, while Chicago's waterfront continues that town's theme of dull monoculture. NY has hundreds of miles of waterfront -- a majestic river (Hudson), a massive saltwater tidal estuary (East River), the Long Island Sound, relatively sheltered oceanfront beaches (Coney, Brighton, etc. etc.), fully open oceanfront beaches with and without development (Rockaways, Fort Tilden, Breezy Point, etc.), canals, creeks, harbors, etc. etc. etc.

Chicago has a lazily curving shoreline with a few tiny little beaches, and a big freeway too close to those. Lake Michigan barely has waves, and isn't even saltwater. Depressing.

NY protects its waterfront from overbuilding that would cast huge shadows all day long -- not so Chicago, which wants to maintain the pastiness of it super-morbidly obese transfat-filled residents.

Lets see.... Chicago's waterfront is, according to rufus, its far best part, and its on a LAKE.

NYC is on much bigger bodies of water, and the waterfront isn't even its best part. Its most expensive neighborhoods are on Central Park. So Chicago's best neighborhoods can't even compete with NYC's SECONDARY neighborhoods.

Then again, Central Park does have a reservoir, if you like lakes. But lakes are for like summer shacks for poor people. I guess Chicago is like a year-round Toledo.

Either way, all Rufus keeps doing is proving how much Chicago sucks.

Sorry you are jealous, rufus.

nyc10022, most people would much prefer living in a highrise condo overlooking lake michigan than a shitty apartment overlooking central park.

yes, this is why it costs so much more to live on Central Park than on the Mold Coast

"most people would much prefer living in a highrise condo overlooking lake michigan than a shitty apartment overlooking central park."

Most people also prefer eating at Applebee's and spending their evenings watching American Idol. Popularity shouldn't be confused with taste.

"nyc10022, most people would much prefer living in a highrise condo overlooking lake michigan than a shitty apartment overlooking central park. "

Only if you define "most people" as you and your crackhead mom.

Demand to live in Chicago is very low... and keeps getting lower.

nyc10022, you crack me up. if demand to live in Chicago is so low, why are some of the best condos in the country going up in Chicago? trump international, chicago spire, elysian, are just a few examples.

Rufus, finish 3rd grade. Really. Now you are just being stupid.

You are confusing demand with supply. You can build whatever you want (SUPPLY), but if folks don't want to live there, that is low DEMAND. Trump Chicago is tanking, as are other projects.

Folks just simply don't want to live in Chicago.

Now, rufus' mom, please shut off his computer and make him go back to school before he posts again.

if one did a ranking of the cities that attract the most wealthy buyers, chicago would easily be in the top 5.

gold coast was ranked by forbes as one of the wealthiest urban neighborhoods in the country.

>>> "If one did a ranking of the cities that attract the most wealthy buyers, chicago would easily be in the top 5."

Wrong again. Only 2 zip codes in Chicago even cracks the top 100 (and 2 miserable suburbs). Not great for the 3rd largest city in the US.S

http://wealth.mongabay.com/tables/100_wealthiest_zip_codes.html

Where is this data about Chicago being wealthier and lower in crime coming from?

http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/29/real_estate/brainiest_cities/index.htm

Also note that Chicago doesn't even crack the TOP 50 in "most educated" cities. Also note that New York's ranking is for all of NYC and that if one considered Manhattan only, it would be number 1.

Why does Rufus keep saying Chicago when he really means Gold Coast? The man expounds upon the virtues of Chicago but he only means for Gold Coast. Its almost like the poor black areas of Chicago aren't even considered a part of Chicago!

NYbylr, i'm comparing chicago neighborhoods like god coast, river north, streeterville, lakeshore east, lincoln park, lakeview, west loop, south loop, to manhattan. and by that measure, Chicago wins out easily. it's more livable, cleaner, more attractive, gentrified, and full of nice restaurants, bars, and clubs.

That lake is friggin' cold. People frolick along its shores for a couple of months a year as a respite from months of icy, windy sub-human conditions. You can have it, Rufus, I'll go for a walk on the west side down to Rockefeller Park, where eight months of the year I can enjoy it.

aboutready, have fun strolling on the west side on eleventh avenue, near the housing projects! LOL.

It's funny, but one can predict the originator of these threads just by the titles.

Yes, so true.

Seeing you post, rufus, is really sad. There must not be any service like streeteasy in Chicago and that is why you post on New York real estate discussion boards about Chicago. It's quite pathetic behavior!

streeteasy, you should allow users to "forget this discussion." The "ignore this person" works great by the way, and a big thanks for that!

">>> "If one did a ranking of the cities that attract the most wealthy buyers, chicago would easily be in the top 5."

Wrong again. Only 2 zip codes in Chicago even cracks the top 100 (and 2 miserable suburbs). Not great for the 3rd largest city in the US."

Rufus lying again. Anyone surprised?

Do you realize that rufus has spent HUNDREDS of hours trying to come up with reasons Chicago doesn't suck, and not ONE has been true (except for street fairs).

When you can't even come up with one good truth about Chicago, you know it sucks...

nyc10022, are you really going to deny the fact that chicago is cleaner and more gentrified than NYC? you obviously have never been to chicago if you believe otherwise.

Take the train from downtown out to the neighborhoods of Frank Lloyd Wright homes. All you see for MILES between during your journey of some 20 minutes is one decimated neighborhood after another. Urban decay, ruin, poverty. Blight of unimaginable sprawl.

Anyone can pick and choose the nice spots of a city to highlight. Chicago has many nice spots. But unlike NYC, Chicago has far flung nice areas separated by countless stretches of frightening slums and areas so far gone it is hard to imagine what it would take to rehab them.

And, rufus lives in NYC. Case closed.

Rufus, you're entirely skipping over the point that you have LIED. Time and time again. You have been proven wrong countless times. You either have major problems, or you are a complete idiot.

Your last claim was DENIED. And you skipped over that. Just like the other times your claims were proven absolute bullshit.

New York simply blows away Chicago in terms of wealth, culture, education, class, cuisine, well, pretty much anything positive. Chicago blows away New York in terms of crime and poverty, despite its best attempts at segregation.

That you don't know this is only because you've never left Indiana, and can't read.

> And, rufus lives in NYC. Case closed.

You mean his mom's basement in Indiana.

Alternative: rufus does NOT live in NYC, in which case it is beyond pathetic he has so LITTLE TO DO IN CHICAGO that he spends hours trolling a NYC RE forum!

Rufus, I've lived in NYC since 1985. I welcome diversity, socially, economically, racially. I've never felt threatened by living or walking near a housing project. I feel threatened by narrow nasty people like you who have no tolerance for those less fortunate.

Who cares if Chicago or New York is better? Live where you like, and let others do the same. Only those with inferiority complexes feel the constant need to point out superiority, in any form. That said, ciao. You and your opinions don't interest me, so farewell you little troll, I shan't waste any more energy finding you reprehensible.

kylewest, the worst parts of bronx, queens, or brookly, are worse than anything you'll see in Chicago. For that matter, east harlem is worse than the wretched parts of Chicago.

gosh it's cold and windy out. it's completely miserable. it reminds me of somewhere ...

type3secretion
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report abuse It's funny, but one can predict the originator of these threads just by the titles.

yup, any post about the stock market or layoffs is by ___jh_

rufus you are so cute

>>> "kylewest, the worst parts of bronx, queens, or brookly, are worse than anything you'll see in Chicago. For that matter, east harlem is worse than the wretched parts of Chicago."

This doesn't explain why Chicago has 3x the number of murders of NYC in absolute numbers (on a per capita basis it's even worse). First, you said this was because all of the murders were in the "bad" parts of chicago so it didn't matter. Ignoring the fact that this is a really disturbing, tasteless thing to say, you've also contradicted yourself. There are a lot more muders in Chicago than in NYC ... according to you they are all in the "bad" parts .. but according to you the bad parts are still better than NYC's bad parts ... but the bad parts of Chicago clearly have to be more dangerous if there are more total murders in Chicago AND the murders are concentrated in the bad parts.

Flawed logic, as always.

Oh fucking please,

New York's waterfront (in addition to the general attractiveness, buildings, wealth, amenities, culture, etc) blow that midwestern fly-over dump away.

Newsflash: Chicago does not = Gold Coast. Chicago as a city is dirty, dangerous, industrial and shitty. The crime statistics prove my point. CHICAGO IS THE MOST DANGEROUS CITY IN THE UNITED STATES. Good, wealthy cities can not be dubbed the most dangerous city in the country. The ghetto's I've seen in Chicago make South Bronx look rosy.

Chicago is an irrelevant hell hole. If you like Chicago so much, why do you waste your time on NYC related blogs?

Enjoy the crime rate and the abandoned buildings. I'm so fucking sick of logging onto streeteasy and seeing you bombarding this forum with your Chicago agenda. Nobody cares about Chicago.

Go start a Chicago blog, loser.

Yes, there are tons of murders in Chicago. They just don't happen to be in any neighborhoods. They're all on one block in the edge of town that they outsource all crime to.

They're not even murders -- they're infectious diseases only from the little part of Lake Michigan on the far south side of Chicago, in the ghetto section.