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WSJ Gold: Headed for a bubble

Started by positivecarry
over 16 years ago
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Personally, I don't buy anything close to an all time high. Discuss. JUNE 5, 2009, 8:16 A.M. ET Gold: Headed For A Bubble? Though it has captured investors' imaginations, no one can say what gold is really worth. By BRETT ARENDS Investment bubbles usually begin as legitimate bull markets, and I wouldn't be surprised if gold were next. First, there's a serious investment case. Central banks are... [more]
Response by aboutready
over 16 years ago
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on the unemployment thread (?) i posted a link that discusses Northwestern Mutual's recent purchase of $400mm worth of gold. That's a huge chunk of change.

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Response by positivecarry
over 16 years ago
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Paulson (the hedge fund manager) has been buying it by the boatload. I'd look for the link, but I'm lazy.

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Response by InFamous
over 16 years ago
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Is this a way for them to hedge against a collapsing dollar or inflation?

Isn't Paulson the person that believe we're heading towards hyperinflation, Zimbabwe style?

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Response by InFamous
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Response by InFamous
over 16 years ago
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Hmmm...from that link, i see another one. Hussman is on board too.

http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-brace-for-hyper-inflation-3-2009-5

How can we have inflation let along hyper-inflation with no wage increases?

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Response by positivecarry
over 16 years ago
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He's seeing record inflows, and need to put the money somewhere. Gold isn't a bad place if you think paper is going to be worthless, but you could also profit from holding oil currencies (AUD, NZD, CAD, ZAR and BRL) since the dollar will pull back as it loses it's safe haven liquidity bid and risk taking resumes.

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Response by Topper
over 16 years ago
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Bryron Wien predicted gold would be one of the year's surprises and hit $1,200.

It's hard to like the dollar a whole lot given the massive additions to debt and the so-called "quantitative easing" (a.k.a. money printing).

I think a modest IRA position in GLD is a worthwhile hedge. This may be just a trade in which case a tax-sheltered IRA is an appropriate location for such a position.

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Response by positivecarry
over 16 years ago
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I personally think gold in a IRA is a horrible idea. It pays no income. What are you sheltering? Buy high yielding stocks and income funds and let them reinvest for 30 years, or do your kids a favor and buy it for them.

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Response by positivecarry
over 16 years ago
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Topper, I know you're thinking about the short terms gains you might have to buy, but my argument at the beginning of this post is that we're close to an all time high. I don't personally think gold is going to where himwhoknows predicted a few months back.

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Response by jason10006
over 16 years ago
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If you think the dollar will tank, buy stocks and bonds in currencies you don't think will tank. If the world goes mad max, you will never get your hands on your 'gold" because no one physically touches the stuff in these gold etfs etc.

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Response by nyc10022
over 16 years ago
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" but my argument at the beginning of this post is that we're close to an all time high."

Not in real terms.

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Response by jason10006
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Yeah in real terms the all time high is $2500 or so. Pick Euro, yen, whatever, the all time high is more than 2X what it is now adjusted for inflation.

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Response by jason10006
over 16 years ago
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...even if you use a GOLD-based inflation calculation!

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Response by patient09
over 16 years ago
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jason, not picking a fight, just curious. why do you like stocks and bonds in currencies you don't think will tank? I am of similar view, but my statement reads..buy stocks and commodities in currencies you don't think will tank. Currently like ewz, fxi, dba and fxa. Yes dba doesn't fit the idea, but this is the short term PA, not long term.

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Response by jason10006
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Asset class is unimportant. The currency is. That is how an ordinary investor can most easily reduce their exposure or even eliminate their dollar exposure if they really think the dollar will tank.

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Response by jason10006
over 16 years ago
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Commodities is interesting because they are almost all priced in dollars world-wide, though.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
over 16 years ago
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I wonder what the Hunt brothers are doing?

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Response by se10024
over 16 years ago
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dollar per se is not the issue, all paper money has it's own problems... eg euro is problematic since germany/france's interests are opposite from ireland/spain/portugal. jpy has horrendous demographics + 20yr strong deflation, etc
ppl like physical gold because they see it as the only asset governments can't directly control

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Response by jason10006
over 16 years ago
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People like like gold for fiat reasons just like they use fiat currency. Over 70% of gold is used in Jewelry, and the next biggest use is as investment/speculation, and only a small minority is for industrial use. There are other commodities that are entirely useful - oil, copper, natural gas - which have actual intrinsic value and can inflation hedges. Gold is pure psychology.

Anyone who has read even the slightest bit on the history of the gold standard around the world knows that from Roman times onward, using gold as currency is far more problematic. Gold as an INVESTMENT has proven disastrous over the last 200 years, other than short, tiny bubbles.

Its only use for an investor is a small part of a portfolio wherein its non-correlation with other asset classes might reduce the risk of the overall portfolio, but even there other commodities are better.

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Response by se10024
over 16 years ago
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"other than short, tiny bubbles"
it just might be one of those tiny (or not so tiny) bubbles... as to modern portfolio theory and diversification - puhleeze, could it have been any more discredited

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