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Risks of Purchasing Condo With Low % Sold

Started by MoMoYa
over 16 years ago
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Member since: Jun 2009
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We are interested in potentially purchasing a condo in a new development. According to the sales office, approx. 40% of the units have been sold. Our bank has told us to steer clear of new developments that have less than 51% of units sold/buildings that haven't yet changed hands from builder to condo corporation. Hope some of you can help shed some light on what the possible risks are to us in this scenario. Builder appears to be very reputable with several buildings already completed/occupied. Does anyone know of any "real-life" examples of a builder going bankrupt (in NYC or elsewhere) before the building transferring hands to the condo corp and what happened to the building, existing owners, value of the units, etc....
Response by columbiacounty
over 16 years ago
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Member since: Jan 2009

listen to the bank

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Response by Downtownster
over 16 years ago
Posts: 140
Member since: Mar 2009

This post from Downtowny tries to consolidate some NYT info plus recent news from a bankrupt Battery Park building relating to the % sold issue:

http://downtowny.blogspot.com/2009/05/what-happens-if-condo-cant-sell-all-of.html

In general, repercussions usually center around having to pay maintenance of defaulted owners/sponsors, unfinished amenities or the building going rental.

-DT

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Response by beancab
over 16 years ago
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Member since: Apr 2009

Another thing to consider-- New Fannie Mae rules that took effect March 1, 2009, require that 70% (increased from 50%) of the units are either SOLD or in CONTRACT to consider buying back the loan from your freindly neighborhood bank. Because this condo is NON Compliant, only "preferred" banks will be willing to loan money to purchase this condo. You will also likely be paying higher (than market) interest PLUS other fees because the building if of higher risk. The situation will not get better. Remember, you are buying into a building and not just your unit. You may have control over your unit BUT NOT THE BUILIDING.

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Response by NWT
over 16 years ago
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Member since: Sep 2008

MoMoYa, don't do it. Let the shit-storm settle. If there's some reason you have to buy something now, there's a lot of inventory out there from which to choose.

Here's a quicker link to the excellent NYT article Downtownster cites: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/08/realestate/08COV.html?pagewanted=1.

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Response by MoMoYa
over 16 years ago
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Member since: Jun 2009

Thanks guys....wow....what an eye-opener! YUCK.

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Response by mjsalisb
over 16 years ago
Posts: 177
Member since: Sep 2006

For informative history lessons, google 306 West 100th and you'll find litigation going back to the buildings conversion from rental to co-op in the late 80s. It took most of the following decade for the sponsor to 1. go broke 2. reneg on maintenance and promised improvements/repairs made at time of conversion and 3. have banks move in and wipe out sponsor/resolve issues with coop corp.

Lesson? Workouts take a long time to start and even longer to finish....meanwhile you don't want to be involved unless you have a LOT of patience and are getting a VERY good deal.

I would bet that there are dozens of such cautionary tales from the last good NYC bust (late 80s to mid 90s)

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Response by nyc10023
over 16 years ago
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Member since: Nov 2008

I've owned in 2 co-ops with the same sponsor bk type issues. You need to look at the financials very carefully before wading in. One of the co-ops ended up in a better position because of sponsor bankruptcy, they ended up owning substantial commercial space for free. The other did not.

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