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if one buys a sponsor owned condo and does not move in

Started by lr10021
about 17 years ago
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In the past few years, I have seen a few cases of investors purchasing sponsor owned condos for investment, and claiming entitlement to all sponsor priveleges, primarily: 1) subleasing apartments without board approval 2) selling apartments without board approval In some of these cases, the uneducated boards of these buildings did try to fight the new owner, trying to force board approvals on sales, or even trying to dictate whether the new owner was permitted to rent. I would appreciate clarification on the topic as this seems to be an extremely grey area.
Response by alanhart
about 17 years ago
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Do you mean coop?

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Response by NWT
about 17 years ago
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In a co-op, such an owner would be called a "Holder of Unsold Shares", with all kinds of restrictions as to getting/keeping that status when buying from the sponsor.

I don't know what it's called in a condo, but it must be covered in the condo's governing docs.

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Response by lr10021
about 17 years ago
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Alanhart, yes - a co-op.

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Response by alanhart
about 17 years ago
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NWT's reply almost certainly explains what's going on -- a Holder of Unsold Shares has superpowers! Once the unit is sold, though, the shares become ordinary shares.

I don't think condos have a similar arrangement, because they're real property rather than the whole crazy cooperative corporation thing.

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Response by OldWest
about 17 years ago
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Response by lr10021
about 17 years ago
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great article, confrimed my theory though that it is a a grey area.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
about 17 years ago
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Also, buildings vary as to who has what rights under their Offering Plans. For example. most Rockrose plans had not only the sale from Sponsor to First Shareholder be "No Board Approval", but also the first resale being the same. This is not true in most buildings. In other words, look at the offering documents because it's not the same for all buildings.

In addition: there are some very special conditions to be an offical "Holder of Unsold Shares" which often times are not followed, but the Coop's don't demand the conditions be met. In most cases, a Holder of Unsold Shares must be DESIGNATED as such in the sale from the Sponsor, and the Sponsor has to act as guarantor on the payment of maintenance. Since most Sponsors SON'T do that, a lot of "unsold shares" don't meet all the burdens to truly be considered such.

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