fed beige book august-2009 -- nyc real estate
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A preview of 3Q09 reports, perhaps. "The housing market has shown scattered signs of a pickup in parts of the District, though conditions have continued to weaken in New York City. A New Jersey contact notes signs of a mild pickup at the lower end of the resale market--helped by the homebuyer tax credit--but maintains that sales and starts of new homes remain flat at low levels. Prices are said to... [more]
A preview of 3Q09 reports, perhaps. "The housing market has shown scattered signs of a pickup in parts of the District, though conditions have continued to weaken in New York City. A New Jersey contact notes signs of a mild pickup at the lower end of the resale market--helped by the homebuyer tax credit--but maintains that sales and starts of new homes remain flat at low levels. Prices are said to have firmed slightly in New Jersey's resale market, though they remain substantially lower than a year ago. Similarly, Realtors across New York State report that prices rose in July but are running well below comparable 2008 levels. In contrast, New York City's multi-family market has continued to weaken. Manhattan co-op and condo prices have reportedly continued to fall in the current quarter. However, transactions activity, which had been exceptionally sluggish in the second quarter, has reportedly picked up in the current quarter, except at the high end of the market, where activity has evidently been constrained by tight credit. Prices of newly-constructed condominiums, which are mostly at the high end of the market, have been discounted steeply, reflecting a large inventory. The apartment rental market has also continued to deteriorate, especially at the high end: overall, asking rents are reported to be down 6 to 10 percent from a year earlier in August; moreover, landlords are typically waiving commissions and offering concessions, such as 1-2 months free rent." [less]
Correction: actually their September report, so current through August
Thanks.
Is this probably Jonathan Miller talking?
I'm a bit surprised to learn that there is apparently heavy discounting taking place on new construction. Hadn't heard that before. I had thought that they were still holding fairly firm on their pricing.
"Is this probably Jonathan Miller talking?"
For NYC, I believe so. He has been their source in the past, which makes the observation that "prices have . . continued to fall in the current quarter" a bit of a revelation. It is in contrast to UrbanDigs' real time observations that pricing is up for the quarter.
http://www.urbandigs.com/2009/09/fed_beige_book_new_york.html
The heavy discounting at new construction also is a surprise to me. However, I have heard anecdotally that condo developers are entertaining discounts and block sales upon inquiry. Not something they would advertise.
topper, been seeing a bunch of discounting. was surprised at first but now getting kind of used to it so haven't been pointing it out. will be on the lookout and post, but have been seeing in the 20%s for certain buildings, and frequently in the 12-16%s.
here's an example of a developer cutting. 240 PAS, phd.
10/13/2006 Listed in StreetEasy by Prudential Elliman at $9,000,000.
01/10/2007 Price increased by 11% to $10,000,000.
03/04/2008 Listing is no longer available.
03/11/2008 Re-listed by Prudential Elliman.
05/14/2008 Price increased by 20% to $12,000,000.
09/09/2008 Listing is no longer available.
12/09/2008 Re-listed by Prudential Elliman.
01/06/2009 Listing is no longer available.
03/13/2009 Sale recorded for $6,295,000.
The Harrison started closings this summer, and it looks like Related gave some fairly substantial cuts to some buyers.
http://www.streeteasy.com/nyc/building/205-west-76th-street-new_york
Thanks, aboutready. Good news. Perhaps I'll start to cast a wider net than in the past.