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fed beige book august-2009 -- nyc real estate

Started by angler7
about 17 years ago
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A preview of 3Q09 reports, perhaps. "The housing market has shown scattered signs of a pickup in parts of the District, though conditions have continued to weaken in New York City. A New Jersey contact notes signs of a mild pickup at the lower end of the resale market--helped by the homebuyer tax credit--but maintains that sales and starts of new homes remain flat at low levels. Prices are said to... [more]
Response by angler7
about 17 years ago
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Correction: actually their September report, so current through August

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Response by Topper
about 17 years ago
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Thanks.

Is this probably Jonathan Miller talking?

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Response by Topper
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I'm a bit surprised to learn that there is apparently heavy discounting taking place on new construction. Hadn't heard that before. I had thought that they were still holding fairly firm on their pricing.

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Response by angler7
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"Is this probably Jonathan Miller talking?"

For NYC, I believe so. He has been their source in the past, which makes the observation that "prices have . . continued to fall in the current quarter" a bit of a revelation. It is in contrast to UrbanDigs' real time observations that pricing is up for the quarter.

http://www.urbandigs.com/2009/09/fed_beige_book_new_york.html

The heavy discounting at new construction also is a surprise to me. However, I have heard anecdotally that condo developers are entertaining discounts and block sales upon inquiry. Not something they would advertise.

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Response by aboutready
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topper, been seeing a bunch of discounting. was surprised at first but now getting kind of used to it so haven't been pointing it out. will be on the lookout and post, but have been seeing in the 20%s for certain buildings, and frequently in the 12-16%s.

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Response by aboutready
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here's an example of a developer cutting. 240 PAS, phd.

10/13/2006 Listed in StreetEasy by Prudential Elliman at $9,000,000.
01/10/2007 Price increased by 11% to $10,000,000.
03/04/2008 Listing is no longer available.
03/11/2008 Re-listed by Prudential Elliman.
05/14/2008 Price increased by 20% to $12,000,000.
09/09/2008 Listing is no longer available.
12/09/2008 Re-listed by Prudential Elliman.
01/06/2009 Listing is no longer available.
03/13/2009 Sale recorded for $6,295,000.

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Response by aboutready
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The Harrison started closings this summer, and it looks like Related gave some fairly substantial cuts to some buyers.

http://www.streeteasy.com/nyc/building/205-west-76th-street-new_york

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Response by Topper
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Thanks, aboutready. Good news. Perhaps I'll start to cast a wider net than in the past.

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