Jimmy Carter?

typical republican running away from the consequences of your policies....when was this rig permitted? Under what administration (whose policy it was to put industry insiders into regulatory positions) was it permitted?

You have no credibility....your party's policies caused this disaster....

Carter was one of the worst presidents in history. If he remained in office, we would have had further economic stagnation, weak foreign policy, and the Soviet Union would be the world's superpower.

We can now uphold the principles of individual liberty, achievement and innovation, and equal opportunity that made this country so great, or we can turn to socialism and elitist central planning that has stagnated Greece and turned it into a failure.

petrfitz idiocy- anything bad that happened while Bush was President was Bush's fault, and anything bad that happens while Obama is President is . . . Bush's fault, and anything bad that happened while Clinton was President was . . . the Republicans fault.

petrfitz I have no party. I am not a lemming

The leader of the regime's policies are such an abject disaster, he will probably not run for a second term. Nurse Ratchet will step in to save the dems and bring back all that 90's nostalgia.

> typical republican running away from the consequences of your policies....

Typical Democratic hypocrite (and moron)

It was Obama policy! He LIFTED the ban! He INCREASED the allowance for offshore drilling!

I guess the democrats can do nothing other than pass the buck!

"petrfitz idiocy- anything bad that happened while Bush was President was Bush's fault, and anything bad that happens while Obama is President is . . . Bush's fault, and anything bad that happened while Clinton was President was . . . the Republicans fault."

of course.

When the facts contradict your claims, hypocrisy is usually the next stop on the idiot train.

> Clinton won all the wars he faught

Yeah, INCREDIBLE job he did on not doing anything about the first WTC bombing... or the Yemen bombing.

He blew the terrorism angle completely. It was easy to miss, because he missed it too!

> Lic...
> So ebitda is or is not a key metric for substantial businesses?

It is, because the assumption is tax rates stay the same, are consistent, or are more a factor of the buying entity.

Tax rates and other changes wilL CLEARLY change multiples.

"Maybe no one is and maybe we're all screwed. But, I take comfort in the power of intellect and it is clear that Pres Obama has it. All things being equal, fat better to have someone with brains"

Yeah, they tried that argument with Jimmy Carter, too.... and he was an awful, awful president.

Yes, I like brains, but you have to use them.

> Thanks GOP and Tea Party for miring the country into a loser path...

And now its the tea party!

Oh my lord, perfitz is a moron. He says you can't blame the CURRENT folks for the mess (even though they've had power since 06). But now he's blaming the people who WILL be in power!

I love it! Tea Party hasn't done ANYTHING yet, and he's already blaming them.... and yet he's letting almost half a decade of Democrat power off the hook!

talk about a shill!

Why blame obama? I can't stand him, but this exact same spill happened in 1979 by the company that came to be known as Transocean. It's moronic to blame anyone other than BP and Transocean for fucking this up. Spill response? different story.

Live and learn? not: http://wimp.com/oilspills/

well, it happened just days after he *expanded* offshore drilling.... I think thats what he's taking heat for.

this is good too heh heh:
http://wimp.com/bppr/

The only good thing I can see from the bankrupting of this county is that all the people on entitlements will finally be forced off the government dole. All the deadbeats who want something for nothing will face a crude reality.

Sacre bleu! What ever will their shareholders do?

how do you expect all of the "deadbeats" to find a job in this economy? Can we build an economy that relies ontemporary Census jobs?

Get the government out of the way. They are strangling the private sector. All you leftist hate big banks. big oil, big drug co, big business of any kind, but you love big gigantic massive intrusive government, And ya know why? Because you think you can get something for nothing.

Obama got blinded by the mass idolation but when the dust settled, the man just has no vision. None.
petrfitz is some kind of computer-generated idiotic jabber.

The private sector is strangling me. They are also literally strangling the entire Gulf Coast.

There is nobody I hate more than the private sector. I am going to e-mail Hillary Clinton to ask her to classify the US Chamber of Commerce as a terrorist organization.

"There is nobody I hate more than the private sector. I am going to e-mail Hillary Clinton to ask her to classify the US Chamber of Commerce as a terrorist organization." All you brain dead liberals, listen very carefully to the socialist. They know what they want. The regime will start confiscation as soon as they completely destroy the economy. The regime's model is Chavez. Wake up you idiots.

Obama should have gotten Flipper to stop the gusher.

So what's better for our economy. Employment for Burger flippers or temporary census workers?
Some spendulous package.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ar_thYFiXUk4

June 4 (Bloomberg) -- American companies hired fewer workers in May than forecast and workers dropped out of the labor force, indicating government support is still needed to spur economic growth.

Private payrolls rose by 41,000, Labor Department figures showed today, trailing the 180,000 gain forecast by economists. Including government workers, employment rose by 431,000, boosted by a jump in hiring of temporary census workers. The jobless rate fell to 9.7 percent from 9.9 percent.

Ahhh if only McCain/Palin were running things now. We all now how good the world would be. No oil leaks. No recession. No immigration problem. Wars would be over Their forward thinking vision would become a reality. Everything would be amazing; America the way it used to be. But, alas, we are stuck with Obama. Oh well.

The world sure was alot better before the internet... damn that al gore

I liked it better when Al and Tipper were french kissing.

julia---how does it work?

I was asked if I worked for a private equity firm. No, I don't, and I realize that this board is anonymous, but I'm pretty fairly credentialed and experienced on the points I posted yesterday - anyone can believe that as they wish to or not.

Thought anyway I'd provide one more illustration.

A company has 100 in sales. Their cost to make whatever they sell is 50. Then they have all of their overhead costs, rent, people, sales costs, etc. That all adds up to 20. So we are left with 30. Now they've got to pay back the bank regular interest of 5, we are down to 25. I'll use the illustrative tax rates I used yesterday. So that 25 is subject to a 29% rate, so that 25 gets down to 17.75 that are earnings that belong to the people who own the company. If we are at a 39% rate, that 25 gets down to 15.25. If I'm looking to "value" or figure out a price to pay for this company, I'm going to pay less if every year the company earns 15.25 than if the company earns 17.75. There's a pie, and if there are greater taxes, the business or enterprise is worth less.

Back to partisan politics.

So it sounds like the 39% rate would really put a fire under the owners to sell 110 instead of 100. And sit around for a few fewer hours each afternoon eating bon bons. And most of all pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Bums.

And that 39% would likely lower the 100 in sales, especially since that 39 is going to apply to everyone and work to drag overall economic activity.

alan, since you love handouts instead of actually working for what you have, I don't expect you to understand.

LICcomm, all I hear is the sound of one handout clapping.
And a chorus of boos for you.
And of course, booze for me.

"Ahhh if only McCain/Palin were running things now. We all now how good the world would be."

Again, can just ONE fing democrat come up with something other than the two wrongs make a right defense?

I think you are purposely being absurd. Companies are trying to maximize sales. And consumers of products and services have a certain demand. Between the supply and demand, they reach a level of volume and price that equates to the total sales of the company, or of the industry.

Working harder is a great idea, but most shareholders are putting fires under management to achieve the highest levels of sales and returns anyway. First thing to happen when the bottom line is strained is to look for ways to cut costs, because cost cuts are easier to do in the shorter term than in the longer term. Of course I personally believe that our private economy is quite efficient.

Taxes are necessary for services. I don't know what the equilibrium level is, and sometimes efficiency requires testing - going higher and lower to knock the cobwebs out of the system - as you say, light a fire under people. So taxes going to government spending may have an equilibrium, but so do taxes on the payer side of the equation. Higher taxes do crowd out private activity. What's the right level between government and the private sector, I don't know. But you can't pretend that higher taxes don't have a direct and clear effect on the private sector.

Liberals have just a few programmed answers to any criticism which begin with either
Bush, Beck Palin or Rush. They really don't have much else to go with.. Oh yes, they'll say all Repblicans are recist

Maybe cc can start a business and create jobs instead of sitting on his butt collecting transfer payments from people who are producing. And, by the way cc, the leader of the regime, not so smart. A good con man." clean and articulate"(Joe Biden) but not the sharpest guy. Although well versed in marxist theory.

this fing democrat was quite pleased (nothing to "defend", thank you) when clinton shepherded a great economy to surpluses and the actual paying down of our national debt...quite righteous i'll have to say

hellooooo...all you fing repugnantcan deficit hawks

cheney: "we'll run the deficits"...and boy did he and shrubby, unlike ever before...in the wrongest of ways

Bush, Beck, Palin and Rush are much more responsible for the utter failure of the private sector than are taxes.

You forgot newt, Reagan, Ashcroft, Bachman, Cheney, jindal, rove, Atwater, etc.

Bashing Republicans for $200 , Alex

I'm surprised that anyone can say that the private sector is a failure.

Also, Beck and Rush are simply commentators with an audience. And Palin, though she was Governor of Alaska, isn't much more these days.

You wan't to blame Bush, that's fine.

Cheney has ten times the I.Q. of Pelosi

I suppose you find Cheney "intriguing" also

jindal---fing clown of the year--fought tooth and nail against any attempt to regulate the drilling industry--now complaining about insufficient help form whom? Obama and the US GOVERMENT--

hey, business regulates itself best--enron, aig, citi, lehman, bear, worldcom.......akmost forgot.....BP!!!!

10x? you're not so good at math are you?

Intriguing? NO, but highly intelligent and capable.

Kind of like stalin was? Actually the only thing Cheney accomplished was being a puppet leader of arguably the worst presidency in our history

Oh, and he made a lot of money. But so did fuld, prince and cayne

Would have respected your answer more if you argued the opposite

Fuld, Prince & Cayne are similar to Cheney......how?
This I'd like to hear.

You must have mistaken me for someone who values your respect. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy when you don't respect my answers. I certainly don't respect you or your answers

Enjoy your champagne and Das Capital!

Riversider..Don't let the fools bother you. Collecting money from the state makes you very bitter. To realize you can't support yourself is a hard pill to swallow.

God you're thick. One of cheneys accomplishments was to get rich. I was pointing out that extremely incapable people also accomplished the same thing while also destroying the country

Finallyjoy, it's clear the bitter one chimed in looking for an altercation. All dogma, no independent thought.

julia---why do you need to hide behind a different identity?

that cheney connection was a HUGE reach. But is it better to get rich the Gore way off of government connections and contracts?

RS, you have independent thought. sometimes I think each of your thoughts exists separately, without any communication amongst themselves

bitter, Julia you don't have an f'ng clue. the gov't treats me rather nicely but not because I'm poor

yes julia---which particular set of transfer payments do you think lets people live large in ny?

No rs they all had a hand in f'ng up the country. I think it was obvious

you're calling me bitter is a huge reach. I'm not the one calling for a flat tax to save myself some money or begrudging the health care coverage being extended to more of the working poor.

Trying to argue that only republicans have gotten rich while in office is moronic.

Clinton came into office with a growing economy and left office with the start of a recession.

I never saw riversider begrudging anyone health care coverage.

"a growing economy", LICcomm, only because it had no place to go but UP!

What's the square root sign? Because that's what well get, not a V or a W

It's sqr(x)

http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/41700/41750/fc_sqrootx_41750_lg.gif

And inaccurate

Do you think the leader of the regime is feasting on kobe beef tonight?

...and the company he keeps: Helen Thomas, before the photo-op with the President, tells the Jews go back to Austria and Poland.
Right after the audio from the Gaza "aid" ship: "Go back to Auschwitz."
Was she on her cell telling the "activists" what to say?

Please Helen Thomas is an insult. In a country like this to have garbage like that be spoken and have to be heard. She should go back to her country..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=447ekAh8AOo

Helen Thomas The reporter for the welfare state.

bitter?

"Do you think the leader of the regime is feasting on kobe beef tonight?"

julia--why?

Any jew that votes for this regime is a disgrace.

Okay cc. Once upon a time America was a great country and everything was possible.People could work hard and achieve their dreams. Then came an idea. Socialism-spread the wealth. A welfare state was born and people felt others should provide for them and America died.

When did this happen to you?

Finally we learn the enlightenment of liberals. Helen Thomas was an eye opener.

cc, you're a troll. Ha.

Is it x^(1/2)? Is that what we'll get?

more like down , half up and flat

LOL, this thread is the reason I don't vote, and ignore/avoid politics all together.

Obama responsible for the spill? Really?

LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk

cc doesn't like when people expose Helen Thomas as a bigot. Liberals don't think other liberals can be bigots.

Hi ph41.

lic, you forget the left is enlightened. and if the right was enlightened, they'd be liberal. it's just obvious.

Most liberals are bigots,it's the nature of the beast.

So, rs, I guess that your views are becoming less nuanced, complicated?

helen thomas should get the f out and go to lebanon. this thread is going to be deleted pretty soon.

helen thomas should go hunting with cheney.

cc, it happened to her before she received many more thousands of dollars for health care than she had paid for. she was of course subsidized by a system that socialized risks.

Checking in on a great Friday night.

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The usual suspects

Robert Kiyosaki county
aboutready
Riversider
finallyjoy
Liccomment

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And of course bslotkin. Although I'd bet you have a few other handles.

Does anyone know if the leader of the regime feasted on kobe beef tonight? Plus, what is the national debt today?

I'm actually right now in the passenger seat of a car on the taconic. Soooo

Oh and once again hi ph41

Jimmy Carter was THE worst President, in my lifetime (including Bush).

Hostages held in Iran,(every night on t.v. news counting the weeks,then the months...) was the beginning of the "testing the limits" of the U.S.A..

If Carter was in office now; the national language would be Farsi.

Tricky Dick was bad, too.
I lost my pin that read: "DICK NIXON BEFORE HE DICKS YOU!"

Irangate?

Jimmy Carter seems to have gone off the deep end the last few years. Probably one of our smartest presidents.
But smart does not equal effective.

or vp. like Cheney.

Although he was effective. just not in the right direction. is that effective?

"Hostages held in Iran,(every night on t.v. news counting the weeks,then the months...) was the beginning of the "testing the limits" of the U.S.A.."

... perhaps this was the direct result of decades of brutal petro-politics and petro-wars instigated by the U.S., way before Carter was President.

The "testing the limits" began with the OPEC oil embargo/crisis under President Ford -- so did the massive inflation.

http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/18/commentary/wastler/wastler/index.htm