why no washer/dryer in 90 william st?

I also would like to know, that kept me away.

During the current sales phase, they're saying they prohibit them just because that's what their lawyers said. (The legal liability of something going wrong the plumbers installing washers, etc). After all the units have been sold and the developer moves out of the building, then the residents will elect a condo board, and it'll be up to them. You can't get any guarantees, but I'd say there's a reasonable chance they might allow it then (assuming you hire a plumber who is fully licensed/bonded).

Probably because they're not installing venting ducts to exhaust the hot air from dryers. So that would mean no dryer. Since this is a conversion I suspect the original piping/plumbing might not be able to handle the run-off from a washers. If they're not letting you install washer/dryers does the plans call for a common washer/dryer room?

Yes, there will be a common washer/dryer room on the top floor (along with the gym, common lounge and roofdeck) per the offering plan. Not an ideal situation and one of the negative things about this building.

PH will have a washer/dryer because it's adjacent to the common laundry room....also not ideal since laundry rooms tend to flood and smell. i wouldnt want to live in an apt abutting a laundry room

Also, there is a very large cooling unit on the roof that will likely cause noise and possibly vibration in apts below on top floors -- but the cooling unit is not on so you can't be sure -- that being said, apts are very nice and good price per square foot for area and windows in bldg are great.

Anyone hear anything about the move-in date lately? I went by yesterday and there appears to at least be drywall up in the visible units (corner units and low floors).

my understanding was that they are closing top down...one other thing on the penthouse unit - it's advertised as a 2 bedroom - the second bedroom has no window (the skylight makes it a legal bedroom) - finishes in the building seemed kind of cheap to me too. i decided to pass

90 William probably has the cheapest per sq. ft. price for all the new conversions
in the Financial Dist. Any comments on the overall quality ?
Anything good or bad about 90 William ? Or for the price, it is OK ?
Anyone knows what % is already sold, and out of what total ?
How this building compares to 75 Wall ?

I've been through 90 William twice. Above average finishes and quality but not the high-end that comes with the higher price per square foot of neighboring buildings. The question then is: how much does that matter to you when you live there (if you must have a sub-zero, are you willing to pay for it) and how much does that matter when you try to sell it (square footage and layout are usually more important than the finishes when you are selling a "used" condo). It would seem to me that you could put in your own sub-zero/recessed lighting/viking oven when you are ready much more cost effectively than the builder who will get bulk discounts but jack up the price per sq. ft. disproportionately. With that in mind, you really can't beat the price. But just my opinion, obviously there are many other factors that determine price.
The catch is that the units along Platt Street look directly into an office building about 75 yards away. You literally have no view. Price obviously reflects this. They are not as dark as some prior posts have suggested but they will never get direct sunlight. This will affect resale value but some people are willing to give up the view for space (which, comparably, this building offers). The A&B lines (two bdrms) face William St, get great light and have a modest view of the surrounding neighborhood (open plaza across william street helps greatly) and you can see up Maiden and William streets a few blocks. The C line (one bdrm) is closest to William a gets the best light of the rest.
Not sure if the Street Easy numbers are correct but if they are, the building is around 72% sold out (82/83 out of 113). Corcoran is very clever with their "available" listings and I was told on both visits that "there are only X units available" but that certain units had not been "released for sale" by the builder." Classic limiting of supply to try and increase demand so I'm a bit skeptical of the numbers.
75 Wall will have higher end finishes but you are paying more to have access (at an additional monthly price) to the hotel amenities. Windows seem small but the views facing east should be good (again, for more money). You will also have to wait until mid to late 2008 for completion vs. Dec. 2007 for 90 William. 75 Wall will be a nicer building than 90 William but at a price. Whether the units at 75 Wall will be nicer is debatable.

Great summary, jcg, thanks.

i also went throught 90 williams twice was going to sign but then they way they dealt with us turned me completley off, after they sent us the contract they gave us a few days to sign or they were going to increase the pricing, they had no flexaiblity what so ever when it came to the transfer fees etc..and they way they dealt with the whole situation was totally unproffesional....

their finishing isn't that great and i knew we will have to put money into it, as well as the lack of washer and dryer didn't help.

It is new york city people. In apartment Washers and Dryers should not make or break the deal in purchasing a unit especially when the price point is sooo much cheaper then the neighboring development that has it. You missed out on an opportunity to get a great condo in Manhattan at a great price if you allowed this to impact your judgement.

wait until you have a kid . . . no washer or dryer will be a deal breaker. when your baby goes through 5 outfits a day that W&D is worth more than just about anyting!

When spending between $1-2MM in new construction, a washer/dryer should be a price of entry amenity

If I'm spending more than $1mm on a apt., I can afford to have my laundry picked up and dropped off by the local cleaner (like most people do with their dry cleaning in a doorman building). If Jr. spits up 5 times in one day, I can go to the building laundry room and do a load once in a while. Lack of washer/dryer in a well-priced building will likely not be the deal breaker.

markznyc & LLL - the point is that if the building is considerably cheaper it should not be a show stopper. I do not disagree when a building is in the $1 million + range that there should be at least the opportunity for having a washer and dryer. But if you have a place that is $150 per square foot less than a comparable unit in a building across the street, why would you complain? With that extra $150 a square foot savings that could probably afford you an extra bedroom and I would so much rather have that for my child then a washer dryer.

I did not purchase here but I do recall that they would allow for a ventless washer dryer unit in the apartment they just didnt come with that.

ha . . . coming from someone who obviously doesn't have kids -- or a wife. tell her to lug a basket to a laundry room when the kid is screaming and crying . . . and unless you have a 24 hour a day maid/nanny you are going to be stuck with some kind of baby laundry... yes not the most rational evaluator, but in this market -- what is?!

Why are you even living in Manhattan then? You need to be in the burbs. You ever pitch in and help your wife? My goodness if you were born 75 years earlier i dont know how you would have even survived.

But if you decide to stick it out and be an educated consumer paying $150 a square foot less for a place that on a resale value you could make that money back to a swinging bachelor who doesnt care about a washer and dryer and just needs space consider this link after all its your condo you can do whatever you want with it:

http://www.bizrate.com/washers_dryers/products__keyword--ventless+washer+dryer__nwylf--.html

You get what you pay for - there are reasons 90 William is $150/sq foot less than other buildings in the area - significantly lower quality finishes, common areas not as nice, lack of washer/dryer (which my wife and I both agreed were deal breakers in this and all other buildings). I'm not saying this is a bad building, just that there are lots of reasons it is less expensive. There are no bargains in NYC real estate - you get what you pay for.

mike_s55 --

Obviously I am not alone in my POV as others here concur -- most who probably have kids too. The building sounds great for single guys who send their laundry out; not so much if you want durable, high quality finishes and BASIC amenities like a W&D. Yes, it is just one of many factors, but why ever exclude any buyers? Considering that other buildings have better features and downtown is becoming more and more family driven, it just seems like a big miss to me.

If there are plumbing hookups for washers, that is one thing, but that usually means plumbing the whole building in advance -- retrofitting can be costly, so dont be fooled by thinking you can slap in a washer and ventless dryer. It's not so simple, especially in conversions in which the plumbing cant handle the additional volume (why so many co-ops can't handle).

And, I do help my wife with the laundry -- exactly why I don't want to be the one lugging the load to the elevator! Good luck ... I will enjoy my HOME in THE CITY for many years to come due to the peace and comfort of a W&D :)

I looked at a lot of buildings in the area, but went with a 1-bed unit at 90 William.
Yes, washer/dryer and over the top finishes are important to me as well. But that vs. 300 more sqft of usable space in Manhattan and an extra bathroom with good enough finishes and amenities (really, I would never use swimming pool or rooftop bungalows). I chose the latter and feel fortunate that I got the deal. But if you rather have washer/dryer and +, that's your preference too, i guess...

yep -- there is a fit for everyone.

I checked their left-over 2BR/2BA units out last week. The agent said washers & "unvented" dryers were permitted in the units (which would fit in one of the baths or next to the island/kitchen, by extending the countertop). I am not sure if this presents a viable option because the reviews on the Internet vary on these dryers--from excellent/energy efficient to "I hate it." Any thoughts, anyone?

I am torn bet this bldg and several others (e.g., 45 John). But, frankly, if I can get W/D in the unit, I will definitely go for 90 William (love the big space w/ sunny park view; it's reportedly 90% sold and closed; and it seems financially stable--plus the unbeatable price/SF)... Any other suggestions on new constructions/conversions in Manhattan below 96th??? Thanks, everyone, for his/her input.