is crime (!) coming back?

crime will save us now?

it will if you sell guns! it will if you need to justify bigger "security" budgets for the city! but are we safer?

show stats not articles. The media is does a great job of perpetuating and making these thigns seems so much worse and far more prevalant than they really are. Bed bugs, crime stats, lebron james, etc. Even CNN has turned into a glorified version of TMZ. I mean we even have russian spy issues again...

There was a jump in major crimes a few months ago. After months and months of it actually declining, it was all over the news, and posted here (do a search), it was a fairly big jump, in the teens, I think.

Don't know what's happened since then.

here is what I was referencing... it was the first 3 month stats...

murders were up 22.5% over 2010.
Shootings were up 14%

I see this as good news.

Maybe it'll chase these fair-weather city dwellers and their precious children back into the suburbs where they belong.

yes - people getting murdered and raped is a good thing. idiot.

Will we see similar quotes from Bloomberg?

"If you take out the killings, Washington actually has a very very low crime rate." -- M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

can't wait to hear giluiani's statement about his daughter. oh wait, he's not gonna make one. oh well

one posters' perspective on who was responsible for the death of 4 children at the hands of their mother ... not the mother's fault, but the real estate industry ...

http://streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/21853-short-sale-w67ths-take-on-it
w67thstreet
10 days ago
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report abuse nyc10023... let's put things in perspective. The mother who killed her 4 children (even she didn't have the heart to slit the throat of the 2yo) and herself had "money" problems... a significant part of which was her housing, which were in fact pumped up to ridiculousness by the bubble... manhattan was ground zero of this bubble. Now I am left to wonder is she wouldn't have killed her children if she just was a single mother w/ a rebellious 14yo boy and not someone who had to split a gyro for 4 children as their dinner and almost evicted 2 from a bubble based rents...

The manhattanites trying to move their rent-o-meters up and down several hundred dollars for 1) walk up 2)borker fees 3) doorman 4) closeness to trains 5) the "right" school district 6) proximity to fairways... I drop not a tear. Go live in LIC if you think you are forced to being life poor and housing rich....

I can't imagine the despair of a parent to kill their own and the fear of the younger daughter watching her older sister being killed by her mother haunts me. Hey julialarge/riversider... rejoice 5 less ppl on the welfare rolls, but the billions of $ for banks/gm/unions... thatz.. "capitalism" right?

fking idiots.

I "smell" a bit more crime in the air lately, unfortunately.

what does crime smell like?

"New York City suffers frightening 15% jump in homicides as murder makes deadly comeback"

"The city's murder rate has shot up nearly 15% this year, and residents in the worst-hit precincts are worried New York is headed back to darker days.

The NYPD recorded 437 murders as of Sunday, compared with 382 in the same period last year.

In East Harlem's 25th Precinct, murders rose 400%, with 10 slayings this year compared with two at this time last year."

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/10/26/2010-10-26_murder_rate_up_in_nyc.html?r=news#ixzz13Tt46jPw

Took longer than I thought.... but I think that economy thing seems to actually hit Manhattan.

of course overall crime is down, or essentially flat YoY per that Daily News article. Murders are up, unfortunately. If it were purely economic, you would expect property crimes to be up substantially, yet that hasn't happened. I'm not saying that economic conditions have no effect on crime, but that the effect is not nearly so correlated as you insinuate. At least some of the rise is due to the extremely hot weather we've had - there is a small but meaningful correlation between homicide rates and murder, and we just had the hottest summer ever.

"I'm not saying that economic conditions have no effect on crime, but that the effect is not nearly so correlated as you insinuate"

Actually it is. You're ignoring the clear evidence of crime correlation vs. income neighborhood by neighborhood.

economic conditions are not the same as absolute, or even relative, income. but you are smart enough to know that - its a shame when you dumb yourself down to try to prove a straw man.

> economic conditions are not the same as absolute, or even relative, income.

But absolute and relative income in a community define... get this... economic conditions
and they certainly correlate.... and a correlation to a correlation is... a correlation

> its a shame when you dumb yourself down to try to prove a straw man.
Its not a straw man when it is exactly what you said. I quoted you...

wrong. absolute and relative income don't define economic conditions. economic conditions are about growth (or lack thereof), change in incomes, etc. at any rate, i'm not here for a semantics argument. if economic conditions had anywhere near the effect you proscribe to them, then given we have the highest unemployment in decades crime would've skyrocketed. thankfully it hasn't. but that's because people aren't nearly so barbaric as you think. but then i'm not a liberal - i actually believe people are civilised.

Crime is back. Just look what the banksters are doing.

well on that basis RS, crime never left, did it?

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/10/mayor-debate-de-blasio-lhota-recap-summary-new-york.html

http://news.yahoo.com/knockout-game-sucker-punches-turned-deadly-202321752.html

with Deblasio it'll just be like the Dinkins years again where there it will be soft on crime/caring about the criminal's background/circumstances rather than just locking them up.
Its a cycle, then probably a tough on crime type mayor will come around and sweep for many years...until the next generation.