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Yale Economist Supports Keynesian Econ.

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Oops, looks like you silly libertarians just took another hit. This time, from Robert Shiller: "The need for a Keynesian revenue-sharing program is clear." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/business/29view.html?_r=1 Are you listening Riversider?
Response by LICComment
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I guess you missed the hundreds of economists from all sorts of universities who agree that Keynesian policies are not the way to go.

Stop looking for a free ride on everyone else's back.

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Response by Riversider
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The current crisis was one big lesson in Austrian Business Cycle theory. Why would we go with a Keynsian solution?

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Response by hol4
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do people still listen to Yale?? aren't they now ranked 30th or something in their programs.. yet people still discuss them with the likes of HSW.. WTF??

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Response by stevejhx
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"from all sorts of universities"

Like Northwood University. Yup - THAT Northwood University!

"The current crisis was one big lesson in Austrian Business Cycle theory"

So RS finally admits that this crisis is caused by voodoo economics.

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Response by Riversider
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Face it Economics in the United States is dominated by Keynsians. For a while the Chicago School of Economics had some influences(Milton Friedman) but right now this is not the prevaling view.

Also keep in mind that the Federal Reserve has a major influence on seeing which views we hear from. Economicsts get paid for publishing for the Fed which is the biggest game in town. Having a different point of view.. Well It's like a capitalist trying to get published in Soviet Russia back in the cold war(almost). I would not expect many economists of the Austrian perspective to get published by the Federal Reserve.

And keep in mind Krugman is from Princeton the same school as Bernanke.

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Response by julialg
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krugman should name his column 'one small voice' and change his name to ellsworth toohey.

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Response by Riversider
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Krugman is a very smart guy, but very emotional and very biased. Certainly does not come across as a dispasionate scientist.

A few weeks ago, a journalist devoted a substantial part of a profile of yours truly to my failure to pay due attention to the "Austrian theory" of the business cycle—a theory that I regard as being about as worthy of serious study as the phlogiston theory of fire.
http://www.slate.com/id/9593

I’m Gonna Haul Out The Next Guy Who Calls Me “Crude” And Punch Him In The Kisser
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/02/im-gonna-haul-out-the-next-guy-who-calls-me-crude-and-punch-him-in-the-kisser/

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Response by stevejhx
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No doubt the monetarists added SOMETHING to Keynesian theory, but not much: the world changes, our understanding of it changes, and our economic models change. Supply-side theories are often valid at the extremes, but no so much in the middle. And inflation as a "purely monetary" function is completely disproved empirically.

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Response by LICComment
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Notwithstanding reports that all economists are now Keynesians and that we all support a big increase in the burden of government, we do not believe that more government spending is a way to improve economic performance. More government spending by Hoover and Roosevelt did not pull the United States economy out of the Great Depression in the 1930s. More government spending did not solve Japan's "lost decade" in the 1990s. As such, it is a triumph of hope over experience to believe that more government spending will help the U.S. today. To improve the economy, policy makers should focus on reforms that remove impediments to work, saving, investment and production. Lower tax rates and a reduction in the burden of government are the best ways of using fiscal policy to boost growth.

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Response by stevejhx
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You forgot Bela Legosi, University of Transylvania.

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Response by buyer11
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Lic u have way too much time on your hands go get a job if you can find one

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Response by Riversider
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Notwithstanding reports that all economists are now Keynesians and that we all support a big increase in the burden of government,

The above misses a huge point. In the past the goals of the Fed were price stability, Prudential Regulation and Credit availability. It's never been quite good at surveilance, and since Volcker has not really focused on price stability. This leaves Credit availability and keeping the economy running as it's only one goal although it pretends to be interested in the other two.

We've had persistent deficits for what seems like well over two decades now and this in my view has forced the Fed to focus on credit expansion above all else. Now that growth has slowed, it's an obsession.

Chris Whalen wrote a good piece on the topic..
http://www.rcwhalen.com/pdf/2010-PB-03_Whalen.pdf

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Response by stevejhx
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"We've had persistent deficits for what seems like well over two decades now"

And whom do we have to blame for that? Plain it is when the budget was in surplus.

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Response by Riversider
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The Fed has been a huge enabler in all this and not at all acting like an independent body. The last tiem we had a head of the Federal Reserve who acted independently was Paul Volkcer.

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Response by LICComment
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Plain it is when the budget was in surplus. - Yes, when the fiscally conservative Republicans controlled Congress in the 1990s.

After that, Republicans became fiscally irresponsible and Democrats have been even worse.

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Response by Riversider
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I don't know why we have to keep talking about Reagan..
He asked for a balanced budget amendment & a line item veto. We did have a line-item veto, I recall some judge nixed it saying it was unconstituional later on.

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Response by Riversider
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Clinton had it good. He benefited from a recovery started by George H Bush and from business picked up as a result of the collapse of the former Soviet Union.

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Response by Riversider
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Clinton was also fortunate to be President during a time of low energy prices.

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Response by stevejhx
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"Yes, when the fiscally conservative Republicans controlled Congress in the 1990s."

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Let us not forget the Graham-Rudman Act, repealed by your Rexpublicus friends.

Yes, RS, Clinton had all the good luck. Gosh darn it for George I!

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Response by The_President
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"from all sorts of universities"

Community colleges are not universities.

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Response by The_President
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•Geoffrey Andron, Austin Community College
•Thomas Simmons, Greenfield Community College

Community College = Glorified high school

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Response by LICComment
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Let's see where other economists on the list are from: Harvard, Columbia, U. of Chicago, UVA, Cornell, Penn, Duke, Carnegie Mellon, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Johns Hopkins . . .

Pres, did you write that last comment to purposefully appear ridiculous?

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Response by stevejhx
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"Ball State University"

I know somebody who graduated from there. Walked around with his head in a Mason Jar.

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Response by LICComment
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Rep. Paul Ryan (R., Wis.), the ranking member of the House Budget Committee, tells reporters that the Obama administration’s fiscal policy is moving the country toward “our own lost decade” and, perhaps, a “lost generation.”

“Take a look at what our government has done in the last two years,” Ryan says. “The Keynesian experiment of more spending has failed to produce jobs . . . The fiscal policy of our government is going in the exact opposite direction it ought to be going. Borrowing and spending is not working.”

“We are basically replicating the kind of economics that the Japanese practiced in the 1990s and we are buying ourselves our own lost decade,” Ryan says. Entitlement spending, he warns, could lead to a “lost generation.”

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Response by stevejhx
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LICC: "Harvard Researcher May Have Fabricated Data"

Must be one of yours.

Ah, Paul Ryan! Did everything in his plan EXCEPT specify what he'd cut.

Entitlement spending has nothing to do with Japan in the 1990's, and neither is what is currently being done. Have you ever read "Animal Farm"?

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Response by stevejhx
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Fed Policy on Right Course, Economists Say

Most economists in a recent survey said they approved of the Federal Reserve's current course on monetary policy and see deflation as a risk for the short term.

The National Association for Business Economics said on Monday that 60 percent of 242 members surveyed from July 30-Aug 10 said monetary policy was "appropriate" for the conditions the economy currently faces.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/38914329

We know who the dissenters are!

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Response by truthskr10
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Can I make a prediction?

If the democrats maintain control over Congress this November and Bush tax cuts are permitted to expire, we will have a second collapse, at least 2500 points on the Dow.

All other scenarios I have no idea but of this one Im certain

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Response by Riversider
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My prediction is the democrats don't give a rat's ass on what will have the most impact on the economy, but rather focus on the policies that work best for their backers(which includes voters and financial backers).. And Republicans would do the same.

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Response by jason10006
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^^^More or less correct for once.

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Response by stevejhx
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I don't know, RS: in the immortal words of Rosanne Barr, the Republicans have convinced the poor that Colonel Sanders is the best friend of chickens.

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