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Credit Crisis 2007-2009 halted new inventory....

Started by steveF
almost 16 years ago
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The manhattan residential market looks really strong with evidence of post summer strength and media announced higher median prices(always a psychological boost). Anyhow, I think prices for apartments are ready for some nice increases. I think we are looking at 5-7% price increase by this time next year. However, lack of inventory is coming. It takes roughly 2 years to build a residential apt. The credit crisis that started in July 2007 and ended in late 2009 all but stopped lending. That means no new buildings coming to market. That is unprecedented. Manhattan has always had new supply except I think 1992-1994 as prices started their ramp up. I'm thinking that this same situation will happen again. Thoughts?
Response by somewhereelse
almost 16 years ago
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I'm thinking didn't they ban you from streeteasy?

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Response by maly
almost 16 years ago
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Thoughts? Why start now? Let's keep the BS flowing.

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Response by steveF
almost 16 years ago
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What BS maly? Is the post credit crisis effect on Manhattan inventory not a discussion point? I don't get it? Don't you want to hear what others think so you have more ammunition for your decision?

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Response by malthus
almost 16 years ago
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Maybe 1992-94 had no new supply because builders weren't anticipating any demand. And now you think that there is no new supply coming again. Why? Think about that for a minute Steve.

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Response by somewhereelse
almost 16 years ago
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"That means no new buildings coming to market. That is unprecedented."

Not only unprecedented, completely untrue!

ah, good thing crybaby is back, we needed more nonsense, didn't we?

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Response by steveF
almost 16 years ago
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malthus do you think we are back to "normal" demand. That the market has stabilized? If we have normal demand but no new supply then what happens?

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Response by buyerbuyer
almost 16 years ago
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But one could argue there is still supply overhang. There certainly is in Williamsburg, where, by the way, several decent sized buildings began after the crisis for rental or sale.

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Response by somewhereelse
almost 16 years ago
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"malthus do you think we are back to "normal" demand. That the market has stabilized? If we have normal demand but no new supply then what happens?"

We have clearly demonstrated *less* demand, hence pricing.... so, once again, you're starting with a lousy premise.

"Is the post credit crisis effect on Manhattan inventory not a discussion point?"

Once can discuss it, but you start with facts and logic.

When you have either, please let us know.

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Response by steveF
almost 16 years ago
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swe, dude u are way to emotional for investing of any kind. I can just see you in your rented apt at your computer looking at your red E-trade account panting and foaming as you trade in and out of stocks. Occasionally glancing @ SE to see if I've posted anything.

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Response by steveF
almost 16 years ago
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buyerbuyer, excellent point bro. Is there still supply overhang? Tough to get a handle on. Maybe Noah can break through with his model.

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Response by somewhereelse
almost 16 years ago
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> swe, dude u are way to emotional for investing of any kind.

Coming from the guy who said to buy RE 2 years ago, and then started yelling to buy stocks after missing the 60% runup.... suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.....

and then screamed and cried when people disagreed with him!

suuuuuuuuuuuuure, crybaby...

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Response by malthus
almost 16 years ago
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As I have pointed out before, your initial premise that there is no new supply is incorrect. In my small part of the world, I see 470 units coming on the market in 2011 at Liberty Luxe and Liberty Green and some left over inventory competing with investors at Riverhouse. Across the island, Gehry's 900 unit rental building is coming in early 2011 as well. 34 Leonard was foreclosed and the new owners are already releasing the shadow inventory there (16 units). Then there is a bunch of buildings in various stages of completion in the NW part of Tribeca.

As to demand, given the last few years, I'm not sure that anyone can say what normal is, but price movements can be punctuated by periods of equilibrium and I believe we just saw one. While the optimism was there, I believe it was a good time to sell.

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Response by somewhereelse
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This wouldn't be the first time steveF started with a completely off-base premise.

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