Typical union attitude

huntersburg, more than zero, which is how many were killed by Sarah Palin's fictitious Obama death panels.

Riversider, I can't imagine a better place to dump snow (other than rivers) than a cemetery ... kudos to DSNY! The toppling can be dealt with cheaply after the thaw. Fortunately, we don't have people living in cemeteries (yet).

So with absolutely no evidence of any deliberate slowdown by sanitation workers found, is everyone ehere ready to apologize to the santiaion workers that you had fun bashing jus two short months ago?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/nyregion/26snowman.html

The New York Times makes Pravda in its heyday under Stalin look like Walter
Cronkite in his.

Socialist, it's a double edged sword. If not a deliberate slowdown, then the explanation is incompetence.

The santitation response was lacking because the trucks could not plow their routes due to a huge number of abandoned cars and buses. Bloomberg should have ordered cars off the road, and the MTA should not have been sending out buses.

so you blame the workers at the MTA?

I balme the supervisors. Not rank and file workers.

Were the supervisors driving the busses?

" Have you or a family member ever been a victim of a crime on the trains?"

I was... when a Democrat was mayor. Thanks Rudy and Bloomberg for fixing things.

"Thanks Rudy and Bloomberg for fixing things" ... by having your Democratic predecessor get way more cops on the street, and Federal money to do so (thanks Bill).

Of course, when the democratic predecessor was mayor, the cops just stood there while Crown Heights rioted...

Nice Job, Dinkins!

Spending more, and getting less...

the only riot was in the NY Post. One person died, minimal property damage. Success (via coolheadedness & diplomacy) vs. much worse likely outcome.

When the Democratic predecessor was mayor, his NYPD commissioner for the latter half of his term was Ray Kelly, who is the commissioner during the tenure of Bloomberg.

I heard Dinkins make a great point recently, he said something to the effect that if Rudy was so strong at law and order, how do you explain Bernie Kerick?

Murders per year in NYC under Dinkins- over 2,000.

Under Guiliani- under 600.

alan, instead of trying to understand proper police methods, keep doing what you are more experienced at- begging for handouts.

"proper police methods" ... you mean the CompStat ones that were developed under Dinkins' administration, by the Transit police, and coopted by Giuliani?

Imbecile.

"Murders per year in NYC under Dinkins- over 2,000.
Under Guiliani- under 600."

But Dinkins was coolheaded and diplomatic! (nice works for "didn't do sh*t")

""proper police methods" ... you mean the CompStat ones that were developed under Dinkins' administration, by the Transit police, and coopted by Giuliani?"

Wow, talk about getting it backward. Alan, you should watch the insults, he is more correct than you are.

Bratton ran Transit first, yes. But then he LEFT after Dinkins got elected! Nice job again!
Giuliani had to hire him back, and made him chief of police.

So, Dinkins did worse than nothing... he got rid of the guy who brought about the positive!
Only when Giuliani hired him back and he implemented the system did

CompStat / ComStat was designed by Jack Maple of the Transit Police.

"Later, when William Bratton was hired by the Transit Police to cut crime, Maple showed him the charts, and between 1990 and 1992 they cut felonies in the caves by 27 percent and robberies by a third."

http://www.govtech.com/magazines/gt/Jack-Maple-Betting-on-Intelligence.html?page=1

One of the biggest reasons for the decline in crime (from the late 80s peak) is the fact that the crack epidemic crested and then declined. Why? Because crackheads have a short life span and a whole generation of young people died. But it is far too easy to give "credit" for the decrease to one person or one factor. There were a lot of things coming together at once. Like most New Yorkers, I miss the old New York, but I don't miss crack vials crunching under my feet every morning.

MidtownerTushy, you are on a roll today, crack, used condoms, watching Barney videos with kids.

Are you a drugged out pervert, or what is the story?

I fully agree on that, MidtownerEast, and I've saying so for decades and decades. CompStat was considerably less successful in other cities. Mass imprisonment was considerably less successful in other cities.

It really got to the point in NY, though, that everybody in those communities, even the most naive 90-year-old church lady who wouldn't say no to any grandchild about anything, came to know what crack was all about and said no, and refused to give a key to her apartment, and just said no to any request for two dollars.

And I'm still mad at David Dinkins for doing all the big Disney deals that led to the cleaning up of Times Square.

Yep, I agree. Times Square was disgusting before because it was skeevy and dirty and now it is equally disgusting because it is no longer NY. One of my favorite episodes of The Office (US) is when Michael Scott visits NY and he goes to Times Square because that is where "real New Yorkers hang out" (or words to that effect). He also calls Sbarro's real NY pizza. Awesome.

Sorry, one more from Michael Scott:

"New York is home to the best seafood in the world. See? There ya go! Right there, Red Lobster."

Sort of how I feel about TGI Friday's in Union Square. Sad and repulsed at the same time.

"One of the biggest reasons for the decline in crime (from the late 80s peak) is the fact that the crack epidemic crested and then declined. Why? Because crackheads have a short life span and a whole generation of young people died"

Except the decrease in NYC was far greater than the rest of the country... showing it wasn't just the crack trend.

"and between 1990 and 1992 they cut felonies"

Again, Bratton had left by 1991... Maple was an officer well before Dinkins.
Giuliani hired him back.

And they cut murders WAY more than 27%...

Dinkins sucked.

and, broken windows came from Bratton/Giuliani.... which worked wonders in this town.

Worth repeating... Dinkins sucked.

Everyone knows that crime stats in NY are routinely manipulated:

http://nyccrime.blogspot.com/

Ask about the decline in crime in NY and you'll typically hear three reasons: ebbing of the crack epidemic, demographic trends and the "broken windows" campaign. Guess which two are actually backed up by facts as opposed to grossly cooked numbers? But people like simplistic answers so you'll hear Bratton, Giuliani,etc. all the time because the real answer is far too complex and subtle.

The Law Office of Jon L. Norinsberg and Cohen & Fitch, LLP recently filed a lawsuit against the City of New York and high ranking members of the NYPD on behalf of Police Officer Adrian Schoolcraft. This lawsuit details PO Schoolcraft’s harrowing experience at the hands of NYPD chiefs and commanders, who plotted a coordinated and concentrated scheme to silence, intimidate, threaten, and retaliate against him for his documentation and disclosure of corruption within the NYPD. Specifically, the NYPD established an illegal quota policy for the issuance of summonses and arrests and instructed police officers to lie on police reports in order to distort COMPSTAT statistics.

http://schoolcraftjustice.com/

Adrian Schoolcraft: Now It's Getting Serious

Many people think that the worst scandal in today's NYPD concerns its alleged manipulation of crime numbers. They are wrong.

Even worse is how the department retaliated against the whistleblower cop who came forward with proof that bosses in his Brooklyn precinct had in fact manipulated the numbers.

After officer Adrian Schoolcraft secretly tape-recorded his superiors at the 81st precinct, ordering cops to downgrade felonies to misdemeanors, the department went into attack mode.

This culminated on Oct. 31, 2009, when Brooklyn Deputy Chief Mike Marino and a posse of officers yanked Schoolcraft from his Queens apartment in handcuffs and dragged him to Jamaica Hospital, where he was held in its psychiatric ward, against his will, for six days.

So incredible was this story that few, if anyone - inside or outside law enforcement - believed such a thing could happen here in New York City.

This was America, not the old Soviet Union. This was the NYPD, not the KGB.

In short, many people felt there must have been a legitimate reason for the police to have hospitalized Schoolcraft.

Instead, in early 2010 the Daily News broke the story, although it focused more on Schoolcraft's allegations of cooking the crime books than on his forced hospitalization.

Since then, Schoolcraft has been vindicated on his crime-downgrading allegations. The top commanders of the 81st precinct have all been given departmental charges and/or been transferred.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/len-levitt/adrian-schoolcraft-now-it_b_816281.html

So there you have it in a nutshell: Crime has been going down because crime stats were being manipulated. An honest NYPD officer spoke up, and a bunch of thugs calling themselves police officers and captains retaliated because he let the truth slip out.

* and by thugs, I'm only referring to the cops and higher ups who dragged him out of his house in the middle of the night, not the entire force *

Whenever a liberal is faced with clear facts that show he is wrong, he attacks the messenger or tries to misdirect by saying the answer is too complex.

swe and I agree- Dinkins was terrible.

Still hiding behind somewhereelse's skirt, LICcomm. Oh the pathos!

Bad news for LICC: Boehner just cut the bumper sticker budget in half!

LICC -- (1) I did not attack the messenger at all; and (2) the facts on which you are relying to point a single answer -- i.e., that the crime decrease was all due to a new way of policing under a supposedly great mayor -- are wrong. There were obviously several variables coming together at once that explained the drop in crime (and we can debate how much the drop in fact was). It is not a liberal or conservative thing. Why must you make it so? I'll tell you why. Because it is straight out of the conservative playbook to say "all you liberals are the same" when you don't have an actual counter-argument.