ooops, so much for the argument that busting uniosn saves the taxpayers of states money: Under an obscure provision of federal labor law, states risk losing federal funds should they eliminate "collective bargaining rights" that existed at the time when federal assistance was first granted. The provision, known as "protective arrangements" or "Section 13C arrangements," is meant as a means of... [more]
ooops, so much for the argument that busting uniosn saves the taxpayers of states money:
Under an obscure provision of federal labor law, states risk losing federal funds should they eliminate "collective bargaining rights" that existed at the time when federal assistance was first granted. The provision, known as "protective arrangements" or "Section 13C arrangements," is meant as a means of cushioning union (and even some non-union) members who, while working on local projects, are affected by federal grants.
It also could potentially hamstring governors like Walker who want dramatic changes to labor laws in their states. Wisconsin received $74 million in federal transit funds this fiscal year. Of that, $46.6 million would be put at risk should the collective-bargaining bill come to pass -- in the process creating an even more difficult fiscal situation than the one that, ostensibly, compelled Walker to push the legislation in the first place.
"According to information from the U.S. Department of Labor, the proposed changes in collective bargaining rights included under SS SB 11 could impact the ability of unionized transit systems in the state to receive existing federal transit aid, unless actions are taken to protect the collective bargaining rights of their employees," the memo reads. "If the federal Department of Labor makes the determination that the changes under SS SB 11 affect the continuation of collective bargaining rights, and protections of transit employee's wages, working conditions, pension benefits, seniority, vacation, sick and personal leave, travel passes, and other conditions of employment, the Federal Transit Authority could not provide federal transit funding under there provisions."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/22/walker-unions-wisconsin-protests_n_826908.html[less]
Response by huntersburg
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I think you are right in that it's not today's union members, it's yesterday's union members, particularly those who are now retirees. If I were a union member today, I'd be calling for the retirees' to return their excess unearned and misappropriated recurring money benefits so that the current generation could at least be treated fairly. Unfortunately, the older union benefits have screwed over today's worker, both because the contracts for today's workers were given away to extort money for the past, and because the public is so anti-union right now and the implications are all on the current members. So really, current union members ought to go after the older union members aggressively. Yes, I agree with you on that Socialist, thanks.
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Nonsense. It is all money collected from the people. Now the federal government has more money to give to the states... or it can change the law.
The benefits cost money. Not paying them doesn't cost... the rest is just transfers between state and federal level, which change all the time.
This is just a dumb, dumb argument.
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Response by alanhart
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It's the resultant privatization that will really cost the government the big bucks -- way more than any bennies add up to. Just look at how expensive those Blackwater mercenary operations cost.
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Response by Socialist
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Privatization is good even though it costs more money since it means less union workers. Union busting is more important than money!
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Response by Socialist
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Just In: MTA gives $11 million contract to McKinsey, Jay Walder's former employer.
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It would have cost $110 million to do it with government employees, and they wouldn't actually do it.
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Prove it.
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Response by Socialist
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How do you know that? If your going to make numbers up, why not say it will cost them $500 million or $900 milliont to do it with govt. employees.
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Response by Socialist
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According to the NY Post, Mckinsey was NOT the lowest bidder.
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better get the phone somewherelese. "David Koch" is on line 2.
The Democratic National Committee wanted to honor Nancy Pelosi Thursday -- but its praise wasn't good enough for the House minority leader.
When the DNC's Resolutions Committee brought up a resolution commemorating Pelosi's years as speaker of the House, Pelosi's daughter sought to alter the proposal at her mother's behest, adding some of the accomplishments that the elder Pelosi felt the committee had overlooked.
"I have some friendly amendments," said Christine Pelosi, a political strategist, at the committee's session during the DNC Winter Meeting at the Marriott Wardman Park hotel Thursday afternoon. She is a member of the committee.
"You think I'm kidding," Christine Pelosi added, to surprised laughter from the room. The proposed changes, she indicated, came out of a discussion with her mother.
First, Pelosi wanted to add a mention of her fight against HIV and AIDS, because it was "why she went to Congress." Then, she wanted to insert a paragraph on her "accomplishments for equality," mentioning the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 and the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" in December.
"Finally, since, as she said, 'I'm not going anywhere,' she wanted to add, in the final 'whereas' clause, '...and will continue the fight for America's working families,'" Christine Pelosi said.
The committee applauded that point, and approved the amended resolution on a voice vote.
The Pelosi resolution, submitted by a roster of Democratic luminaries headed by DNC Chairman Tim Kaine, was one of dozens of ceremonial acts considered by the committee, on such topics as praising President Obama's State of the Union address, honoring the victims of January's Tucson shootings and memorializing Elizabeth Edwards. Most of the resolutions were approved without changes.
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Response by MidtownerEast
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Further newsflash from RS: politicians have big egos. I rather have them be smart too, as opposed to the cretinous Sarah Palin, who -- as remarkable as it may seem -- is even dumber than Reagan or Bush (II).
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Um, "I'd rather ..."
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Response by huntersburg
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Who do you vote for? Michael Dukakis, Al Gore and John Kerry?
MidtownerVirgin, do you watch CSPAN from your "smallish 1 bedroom for $3200" in midtown east and get all hot?
I think you are right in that it's not today's union members, it's yesterday's union members, particularly those who are now retirees. If I were a union member today, I'd be calling for the retirees' to return their excess unearned and misappropriated recurring money benefits so that the current generation could at least be treated fairly. Unfortunately, the older union benefits have screwed over today's worker, both because the contracts for today's workers were given away to extort money for the past, and because the public is so anti-union right now and the implications are all on the current members. So really, current union members ought to go after the older union members aggressively. Yes, I agree with you on that Socialist, thanks.
Nonsense. It is all money collected from the people. Now the federal government has more money to give to the states... or it can change the law.
The benefits cost money. Not paying them doesn't cost... the rest is just transfers between state and federal level, which change all the time.
This is just a dumb, dumb argument.
It's the resultant privatization that will really cost the government the big bucks -- way more than any bennies add up to. Just look at how expensive those Blackwater mercenary operations cost.
Privatization is good even though it costs more money since it means less union workers. Union busting is more important than money!
Just In: MTA gives $11 million contract to McKinsey, Jay Walder's former employer.
It would have cost $110 million to do it with government employees, and they wouldn't actually do it.
Prove it.
How do you know that? If your going to make numbers up, why not say it will cost them $500 million or $900 milliont to do it with govt. employees.
According to the NY Post, Mckinsey was NOT the lowest bidder.
better get the phone somewherelese. "David Koch" is on line 2.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0211/Pelosi_edits_honorary_resolutionon_Pelosi_.html?showall
The Democratic National Committee wanted to honor Nancy Pelosi Thursday -- but its praise wasn't good enough for the House minority leader.
When the DNC's Resolutions Committee brought up a resolution commemorating Pelosi's years as speaker of the House, Pelosi's daughter sought to alter the proposal at her mother's behest, adding some of the accomplishments that the elder Pelosi felt the committee had overlooked.
"I have some friendly amendments," said Christine Pelosi, a political strategist, at the committee's session during the DNC Winter Meeting at the Marriott Wardman Park hotel Thursday afternoon. She is a member of the committee.
"You think I'm kidding," Christine Pelosi added, to surprised laughter from the room. The proposed changes, she indicated, came out of a discussion with her mother.
First, Pelosi wanted to add a mention of her fight against HIV and AIDS, because it was "why she went to Congress." Then, she wanted to insert a paragraph on her "accomplishments for equality," mentioning the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 and the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" in December.
"Finally, since, as she said, 'I'm not going anywhere,' she wanted to add, in the final 'whereas' clause, '...and will continue the fight for America's working families,'" Christine Pelosi said.
The committee applauded that point, and approved the amended resolution on a voice vote.
The Pelosi resolution, submitted by a roster of Democratic luminaries headed by DNC Chairman Tim Kaine, was one of dozens of ceremonial acts considered by the committee, on such topics as praising President Obama's State of the Union address, honoring the victims of January's Tucson shootings and memorializing Elizabeth Edwards. Most of the resolutions were approved without changes.
Further newsflash from RS: politicians have big egos. I rather have them be smart too, as opposed to the cretinous Sarah Palin, who -- as remarkable as it may seem -- is even dumber than Reagan or Bush (II).
Um, "I'd rather ..."
Who do you vote for? Michael Dukakis, Al Gore and John Kerry?
MidtownerVirgin, do you watch CSPAN from your "smallish 1 bedroom for $3200" in midtown east and get all hot?